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1/2NL: NFD vs semi random 1/2NL: NFD vs semi random

11-18-2008 , 09:45 PM
Villain is 22/16/2.3


Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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BTN: $200.00
SB: $277.15
Hero (BB): $203.00
UTG: $200.00
MP: $48.25
CO: $261.60

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BB with T A
3 folds, BTN raises to $7, 1 fold, Hero calls $5

Flop: ($15.00) 2 9 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $10, BTN raises to $35, Hero requests TIME, Hero raises to $110

For some reason I didnt feel like 3betting pre but as played is this ok?
11-18-2008 , 10:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tvta
Villain is 22/16/2.3


Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: $200.00
SB: $277.15
Hero (BB): $203.00
UTG: $200.00
MP: $48.25
CO: $261.60

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BB with T A
3 folds, BTN raises to $7, 1 fold, Hero calls $5

Flop: ($15.00) 2 9 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $10, BTN raises to $35, Hero requests TIME, Hero raises to $110

For some reason I didnt feel like 3betting pre but as played is this ok?
I don't like the donk bet. It just reeks of flush draw on that board.
11-19-2008 , 12:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by atticus
I don't like the donk bet. It just reeks of flush draw on that board.
well then as played?
11-19-2008 , 12:49 AM
nh

I raise donk bets like in this hand with 100% of my range. C/R is awkward with stack sizes, so i very much like a b/3bet. He folds a decent amount of the time and you have awesome equity vs any hand you do get all in with.
11-19-2008 , 12:50 AM
i would bet more on the donk because you want him to raise more (if he so chooses). it makes a 3-bet shove alot easier. even adding like $5 to your donk makes a 3-bet shove less of an overbet. ($15, he raises to $50, you just jam).
11-19-2008 , 01:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by didder
nh

I raise donk bets like in this hand with 100% of my range. C/R is awkward with stack sizes, so i very much like a b/3bet. He folds a decent amount of the time and you have awesome equity vs any hand you do get all in with.
wat
11-19-2008 , 02:00 AM
a raise of a donk bet isn't the nuts, you dominate all draws and have good equity against all of his range... against a thinking player i like the committing bet more than the all in, looks more like a set to me.
11-19-2008 , 05:02 AM
So does anyone dislike my preflop flat?




Quote:
Originally Posted by ikestoys
against a thinking player i like the committing bet more than the all in, looks more like a set to me.
i think this same concept applies to 4 bet/5 betting AK preflop, agree?

Last edited by tvta; 11-19-2008 at 05:16 AM.
11-19-2008 , 05:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tvta
So does anyone dislike my preflop flat?
I think a call is fine here preflop. Hand is too good/too bad to 3bet. Too good because it's massively ahead of his BTN range, too bad because it has some serious RIO issues postflop in 3bet pots.
11-19-2008 , 05:29 AM
nice hand
11-19-2008 , 06:06 AM
Wanted to add (but was too late to edit).

I wonder what range villain is raising with here. I feel his range is polarized between sets/overpair and air. He should probably call here with a draw, mid PP or J9/T9/98 type hands for pot control reasons. Or does anyone here think he should raise for protection/semibluff/balance? Interested in some answers.
11-19-2008 , 07:26 AM
agreed i like the a bigger donk if you've flatted pre, make it look like a set and push most turns
11-19-2008 , 10:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by spivey
wat
More often than not, donk bets are just a panicked player oop that thinks check/folding his hand to an inevitable c-bet is too weak, and so will attempt to take a stab by donking out with nothing.

One of the most important notes i take on people is what a donk bet means.

I find it's a mediocre hand, something like QJo on a KJ3 flop, or 77 on a T45 flop, that feels too weak to call a c-bet oop, but too strong to check/fold the flop. It's also very occasionally complete air and villain is aggressive and feels donking is the best way to take the hand down.
11-19-2008 , 11:46 AM
the bonus of this size donkbet is that it'll cause him to raise us more often. if i think he's raising a donk bet pretty much regardless of size with most/all of his range, then sure i make it bigger for reasons listed above. otherwise i think 2/3 pot has merit
11-19-2008 , 12:32 PM
how about just call so that you can shut him down on most turn cards besides those that actually hit your hand, not to mention keeping worse draws in

i am sure 3betting is +ev though
11-19-2008 , 02:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mdom88
how about just call so that you can shut him down on most turn cards besides those that actually hit your hand, not to mention keeping worse draws in

i am sure 3betting is +ev though
i like this idea, but i hate playing oop.
11-19-2008 , 03:04 PM
I wouldnt donk, but if i did i would play it as u.
11-19-2008 , 06:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mdom88
how about just call so that you can shut him down on most turn cards besides those that actually hit your hand, not to mention keeping worse draws in

i am sure 3betting is +ev though
If we opt to take this line, what do you do on 6? or a 6 turn?
11-19-2008 , 07:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mdom88
how about just call so that you can shut him down on most turn cards besides those that actually hit your hand, not to mention keeping worse draws in

i am sure 3betting is +ev though
I don't think he is folding too many draws that he raises here so I think this is better than donk/call.
11-19-2008 , 08:07 PM
I like how you played it.

Some regs just raise any donk bet, and so this exploits that tendency. You're never in bad shape getting it in.

      
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