Open Side Menu Go to the Top
Register
Set of aces on monotone flop 4bet pot Set of aces on monotone flop 4bet pot

01-19-2015 , 07:49 PM
    Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #34287941

    BTN: $67.86 (135.7 bb)
    SB: $43.52 (87 bb)
    BB: $50.50 (101 bb)
    Hero (UTG): $91.70 (183.4 bb)
    MP: $98.54 (197.1 bb)
    CO: $138.68 (277.4 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with K A 6 A
    Hero raises to $1.75, 2 folds, BTN raises to $6, 2 folds, Hero raises to $18.75, BTN calls $12.75

    Flop: ($38.25) A 8 3 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN checks

    Turn: ($38.25) Q (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN checks

    River: ($38.25) T (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN bets $14.61, Hero folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: $38.25 pot ($1.72 rake)
    Final Board: A 8 3 Q T
    BTN mucked and won $36.53 ($17.78 net)
    Hero mucked K A 6 A and lost (-$18.75 net)



    Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.



    Opponent is a tight reg 3bets 5% againts UTG hero has AAxx close to always when 4bets here. What line should i take postflop? If i bet flop i only get action from flushes,on the river i dont think he ever tryes to bluff me out of AA with less than half pot sizing.
    Set of aces on monotone flop 4bet pot Quote
    01-19-2015 , 08:08 PM
    wouldnt give him any credit for a flush. But dont undervalue his chances of having the straight. if he puts you on the aces without flush than this can easily be also a value bet.
    Set of aces on monotone flop 4bet pot Quote
    01-19-2015 , 08:22 PM
    bet 20ish turn
    Set of aces on monotone flop 4bet pot Quote
    01-19-2015 , 08:54 PM
    We're less than 50 effective in a 38 pot on the flop. So even if villain has a flush we're basically (not exactly) pot committed. We can't really just check/fold with so much equity.

    Against a tight player there's also not much value in checking to induce. So we should bet small on flop mostly just to protect from him drawing out to a straight, and we still give villain a chance to make some spazzy bluff even though its very unlikely based on our read. If raised, just groan and call.

    As played, good fold.
    Set of aces on monotone flop 4bet pot Quote
    01-20-2015 , 08:45 AM
    bet $5 otf like a man and obviously never fold
    Set of aces on monotone flop 4bet pot Quote
    01-20-2015 , 06:00 PM
    +1 bet turn

    Quote:
    wouldnt give him any credit for a flush
    bad mistake, he obviously has a flush a significant % of the time.

    SPR and position is very awkward if he has you on a heavy AA range. This spot is a fine poker spot imo
    Set of aces on monotone flop 4bet pot Quote
    01-20-2015 , 07:47 PM
    4bet pot u have to bet top set here and go with iif raised. youre going to get bluffed your hand far too often by not betting. what do i know though, i havent won in years
    Set of aces on monotone flop 4bet pot Quote
    01-20-2015 , 07:55 PM
    you think lots of people are bluffing against a perceived set of aces when so many are bet/calling their aces on the reg.... there is only wheel draw so checking is standard with aces.
    Set of aces on monotone flop 4bet pot Quote
    01-20-2015 , 08:00 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by NMcNasty
    We're less than 50 effective in a 38 pot on the flop. So even if villain has a flush we're basically (not exactly) pot committed. We can't really just check/fold with so much equity.

    Against a tight player there's also not much value in checking to induce. So we should bet small on flop mostly just to protect from him drawing out to a straight, and we still give villain a chance to make some spazzy bluff even though its very unlikely based on our read. If raised, just groan and call.
    This is perfect advice.
    Set of aces on monotone flop 4bet pot Quote
    01-20-2015 , 08:19 PM
    I'm shoving flop...
    Set of aces on monotone flop 4bet pot Quote
    01-21-2015 , 06:33 AM
    wtf is the point in shoving flop, he has more than a PSB behind and his equity won't increase on the turn to more than 33% unless he has a wheel draw or hits quads.

    so many noobz
    Set of aces on monotone flop 4bet pot Quote
    01-21-2015 , 07:43 AM
    Opponent is a tight reg 3bets 5% againts UTG hero has AAxx close to always when 4bets here. What line should i take postflop? If i bet flop i only get action from flushes,on the river i dont think he ever tryes to bluff me out of AA with less than half pot sizing.

    BTW op I'd find it very difficult to fold river but your thought process on the matter is decent.
    Set of aces on monotone flop 4bet pot Quote
    01-21-2015 , 08:22 AM
    It is kind of a confusing spot in the sense that you're unlikely to get value from worse by betting but it's also unlikely you'll induce a bluff when your range has so many top sets in it and the SPR is below 2. It is also a super-dry board (except for the suits obviously) and there's no turn card that poses any kind of threat to your made hand.

    I think both checking flop and betting small are good, by betting bigger we're not accomplishing much (although the EV of every line is probably very high just because we have him crushed most of the time). If I'm checking flop I'm definitely betting turn because now there's a real need to protect our equity from rivered straights.
    Set of aces on monotone flop 4bet pot Quote
    01-21-2015 , 11:21 AM
    b/c flop

    gg if he has a flush
    Set of aces on monotone flop 4bet pot Quote
    01-21-2015 , 01:08 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by NMcNasty
    We're less than 50 effective in a 38 pot on the flop. So even if villain has a flush we're basically (not exactly) pot committed. We can't really just check/fold with so much equity.

    Against a tight player there's also not much value in checking to induce. So we should bet small on flop mostly just to protect from him drawing out to a straight, and we still give villain a chance to make some spazzy bluff even though its very unlikely based on our read. If raised, just groan and call.

    As played, good fold.
    Plus 1 but I'm a fish and might cry call river. Need to be good slightly less than 1 in 5 and I see people capable of small river bluff sizes. Like if he's bricked everything he might think that a big bet here looks so bluffy that you'll call with AA and that a small bet needs to work only a small % to be profitable that it's worth taking a stab.
    Set of aces on monotone flop 4bet pot Quote
    01-21-2015 , 01:40 PM
    I dont like betting small because then it makes it too easy for villain to flat and outplay you later. Most of you who said to bet small said you'd call a raise, ok well what do you do if he calls the small bet and then on the turn he ships you gonna check/fold when he could be doing this when he turns a 2p/straight draw or some random hand? What if he calls flop, turn checks through and he ships river on blanks?

    At least if you shove flop you commit yourself and leave no room for errors later and you show people you're not measing around.
    Set of aces on monotone flop 4bet pot Quote
    01-21-2015 , 02:00 PM
    Isn't betting small here just repping precisely the hand we have?
    Set of aces on monotone flop 4bet pot Quote
    01-21-2015 , 02:12 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Xptboy
    Most of you who said to bet small said you'd call a raise, ok well what do you do if he calls the small bet and then on the turn he ships you gonna check/fold when he could be doing this when he turns a 2p/straight draw or some random hand?
    Turn spot is tricky, but I don't think making a sure flop mistake is worth it to avoid a possible turn mistake. If you think villain floats flop a decent amount then check/call turn. Against a tight player I do think c/f is best though but admittedly its close.
    Set of aces on monotone flop 4bet pot Quote
    01-21-2015 , 02:20 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JPE23
    Isn't betting small here just repping precisely the hand we have?
    Yeah but I mean its not like betting the nuts is bad because we're repping what we have.
    Set of aces on monotone flop 4bet pot Quote
    01-21-2015 , 04:37 PM
    Quote:
    Isn't betting small here just repping precisely the hand we have?
    this is already mostly achieved with the preflop 4b, and the preflop 4b will be playing like this on this board/texture, there is no reason to do anything else , there is that space though where you may be 4bing on a whim with a hand like KKQQr - 7799ds - KQJTds - AJJT and you still want to be able to bet/fold out his !A*** and **ss by repping aa**, (which you want to do to make perceived 4bing frequencies wider where its good times to do so - setting up traps int he long run for your AA - with a general strategy of knowing that he is competent vs an AA range, selecting flops that most of his range will muck and deceivingly hitting the flops which AA does not like. This depth though there is no implied value in betting outside of pot odds relative to known info
    Set of aces on monotone flop 4bet pot Quote
    01-21-2015 , 06:17 PM
    B/c 1/2 pot otf.
    Set of aces on monotone flop 4bet pot Quote
    01-22-2015 , 10:11 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by NMcNasty
    Yeah but I mean its not like betting the nuts is bad because we're repping what we have.
    OK so why bet small, why not bet big, if it's the nuts?
    Set of aces on monotone flop 4bet pot Quote
    01-22-2015 , 01:54 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JPE23
    OK so why bet small, why not bet big, if it's the nuts?
    I'm not saying we always bet small with the nuts, just that "repping what you have" is just a normal part of value betting.

    In this instance we aren't really value betting though because against a tight player we're likely up against a flush when he elects to continue. But we aren't bluffing either as even tight players will never fold better (nor should they). Our bet is mainly just to price out draws. A pot sized bet does that as well, but a pot size bet doesn't give our opponent the chance to make some spazzy bluff. Its rare that that will actually happen for a tight player, but rare is better than never.
    Set of aces on monotone flop 4bet pot Quote

          
    m