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Wrap vs donk and raise on 896r Wrap vs donk and raise on 896r

08-06-2017 , 07:33 PM
Came across this one from a while ago and it struck me as pretty interesting:

    Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37805574

    BTN: $29.32 (117.3 bb)
    SB: $28.40 (113.6 bb)
    Hero (BB): $58.29 (233.2 bb)
    UTG: $53.73 (214.9 bb)
    MP: $176.95 (707.8 bb)
    CO: $61.54 (246.2 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with A T Q J
    UTG calls $0.25, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.25, SB completes, Hero raises to $1.25, UTG calls $1, BTN calls $1, SB calls $1.00

    Flop: ($5) 8 9 6 (4 players)
    SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets $4.79, BTN raises to $19.16, SB folds, Hero raises to $57.04 and is all-in, UTG folds, BTN calls $8.91 and is all-in

    Turn: ($65.93) Q (2 players, 2 are all-in)
    River: ($65.93) 6 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

    Results: $65.93 pot ($2.00 rake)




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    Vs. a range of T7xx,57xx,89xx,88xx,99xx,66xx for both villains we are 36%, which winning, however vs UTG we would have 41% which is not enough to stack off as we need 50% in a HU side pot (i dont think the profit of the main pot makes up for the loss of the side pot, didnt do the math though). Given that this range is probably too wide, I now think that a fold is correct, though it's probably close.

    Thoughts? Also what if btn and utg had different stack sizes?
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    08-06-2017 , 09:37 PM
    Not sure I often find a fold with the nut wrap on a rainbow unpaired board, but not having a backdoor flush draw might be a reason if I wanted to fold some of them.

    If I was UTG I'd be folding a decent amount of my range that I lead pot with when you x/3bet, but x/cold-call-raise also looks strong and the pot with be <1 SPR on turn.
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    08-06-2017 , 11:23 PM
    You have 13 outs to make a straight but it is very likely that the villians hold some of your outs. With only 5bb invested I think you should fold, especially 200bb deep.
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    08-07-2017 , 06:11 AM
    If utg is fish he might have naked 66,88 but how BTN could possibly have those?

    So you already got an answer.
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    08-07-2017 , 11:58 AM
    I think this is a fold. If all goes perfectly and both V's have sets or two pair, we have a modestly profitable call. However, sometimes V's will have at least some of our draws also, in which case a lot of our outs are chop outs.
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