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Old 09-14-2018, 10:56 AM   #1
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Post Villain potting flop thin IP

New here, thanks ahead of time , hope someone can help.
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V otb 1000bb : KdQh9s9c opens for pot.

Me sb 100bb : As5sjcjd calls BB folds.

{80c}
flop: Kc8s6s x/pot/call

2.40
turn:Qd x/pot/call

7.20
river:7c x/x

my question is: he seems to be making money here by potting a marginal hand (equities were 50/50 otf), and im trying to come up with a strategy vs
this type player

like ranges to x/rse him otf for instance?

ps: never saw him before but it seems like there is one or two like him every
day, bloating pots w marginals and honestly it does tilt me a bit.
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Old 09-14-2018, 07:56 PM   #2
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Re: Villain potting flop thin IP

Xc the flop is fine, and x-calling full pot on the turn is less clear (based on what hero perceives as implied odds). There are ways to play back at overagressive opponents but short of raising preflop there really isn't a good reason to on this exact hand. Leading flop is an option but generally checking will be more profitable.
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Old 09-14-2018, 09:03 PM   #3
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Re: Villain potting flop thin IP

hey thanks, raising pre def something to think about ,
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Old 09-14-2018, 09:07 PM   #4
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Re: Villain potting flop thin IP

He's the one betting- he doesn't have to have a hand.

I don't know what you're actually thinking, but your post reads like you are assuming he's value betting and not just throwing chips in the pot to see what happens.
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Old 09-15-2018, 02:36 AM   #5
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Re: Villain potting flop thin IP

This hand is not a good candidate for a three bet pre. in general TPTK plays pretty well as a bet fold in a hu pot on a board where no straight or flush is possible.
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Old 09-15-2018, 11:25 AM   #6
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He's the one betting- he doesn't have to have a hand.

I don't know what you're actually thinking, but your post reads like you are assuming he's value betting and not just throwing chips in the pot to see what happens.
i see what you mean, so how wud you deal with this situation
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Old 09-15-2018, 11:37 AM   #7
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This hand is not a good candidate for a three bet pre. in general TPTK plays pretty well as a bet fold in a hu pot on a board where no straight or flush is possible.
he only has tp2k here and ive seen guys betting MPTK multiway IP without redraws too,

so I just feel i need a strategy v this
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Old 09-15-2018, 12:59 PM   #8
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Re: Villain potting flop thin IP

yes my experience with these types is that they think they are value betting here and prob wont even fold to a x/rse , i just wonder about Lead out small as a strategy against these guys rather than turnin my hand face-up as a draw most of the time to him
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Old 09-15-2018, 01:04 PM   #9
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He's the one betting- he doesn't have to have a hand.

I don't know what you're actually thinking, but your post reads like you are assuming he's value betting and not just throwing chips in the pot to see what happens.
just to say yes I feel that he thinks he is VB ing here, and its hard to be drawing at his price and yet i have 50% OTF . maybe lead out small against people like this?

In fairness you only see these guys for a brief time but it seems like theres a new one or two every day.
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Old 09-15-2018, 11:36 PM   #10
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Re: Villain potting flop thin IP

if someone is betting very liberally, then semi bluff raises are a good counter to that strategy, although I would probably choose a worse draw than this one.
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Old 09-16-2018, 03:09 AM   #11
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Re: Villain potting flop thin IP

The adjustment here isn’t really anything too drastic. You just lower the threshold of hand where you want to make the pot big by a few notches. You can apply pressure with a few more draws, and you can look to play for stacks with weaker made hands. I’d avoid flatting hands like this in the sb vs. this type of player though. There aren’t enough flops where you get to c/r and pot the turn, and you’re going to have a hard time realizing your showdown value.
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Old 09-16-2018, 07:28 AM   #12
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Re: Villain potting flop thin IP

So you want to fold pre? This hand is way too strong to fold vs a steal open.
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Old 09-16-2018, 11:52 AM   #13
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Re: Villain potting flop thin IP

Okay, first of all thanks to all for for the input, there was all good points.

Ive looked into the ranges here and from the sources that i have ,

vs a 60 % bttn this hand is a 3bet,

so i guess its a matter of whether or not to do it against this type player,
seem hard to fold pre tho and flatting just got me into the trouble as mentioned,

tough game, glad of the support tho, ��
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Old 09-16-2018, 11:36 PM   #14
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The adjustment here isn’t really anything too drastic. You just lower the threshold of hand where you want to make the pot big by a few notches. You can apply pressure with a few more draws, and you can look to play for stacks with weaker made hands. I’d avoid flatting hands like this in the sb vs. this type of player though. There aren’t enough flops where you get to c/r and pot the turn, and you’re going to have a hard time realizing your showdown value.
could i go as low as ak+ and a gutter to x/rse him here ?
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Old 09-17-2018, 08:39 PM   #15
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could i go as low as ak+ and a gutter to x/rse him here ?
No, this is too weak. I'm talking hands like naked bottom/middle set, K8 w gs or bdfd ,any K with flush draw, K976,etc. The top of a check calling range.
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