Saw that the PLO University is closing doors for future enrollment and they discounted the original $1000 price down to $700. The additional content of advanced PLO software tutorial, Joey Ingram additional content, and $200 discount off their upcoming PLO Lab is tempting . Plus, access to the private Facebook group is of particular interest. I wanted to ask you guys whether you think there's is enough value in the $700 price to justify making this purchase.

Also curious

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Surely if you join the plo university, then you wouldn't need the plo lab?

You definitely do want the lab even if you buy the university the lab will have new material all the time similar to the Holdem lab


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If you've watched or listened to literally any news about the change coming (which it seems you haven't) then you would know that PLO university has grounds for building your game up / ways to approach working on your game + gives you a strong preflop basis.

PLO lab will be heavily involving solvers and new info that Jnandez is learning/working on in 2017. (Jnandez said each month a new lab will come out with work / info on different spots based on a solvers approach to the game + his analysis of it etc)

Saw one Video of JNandez is playing some scoops Events online. He was calling down on AJKxx board with tripps A against villians str8..I don't know if this is really a expert play. I doubt it to be honest. I would say and thats my opinion is not worth it...
Phil Galfongs Videos are more interesting and better that JNandez..
Buy a plo book for 30$, watch some other Videos online and make you own experiences..
Its cheaper.

I have to disagree with Martin. Everything I have seen from JNandez, heard about re:PLO University and peoples general consensus of him as a player is that he is solid and its some of the best content around if you want to build your game from the bottom up.

I was very seriously thinking about getting it but life situ i.e. buying house and going on holiday next week means i couldn't really justify it - also my life at the moment doesn't allow me much time for study.

There is some truth though in Martins post about doing it yourself. However, that requires being able to put together you're own program and sifting through other content sources and being able to discern the good from the bad - a level of skill and focus most people wont have.

TLDR; I would buy it if i could

You disagree with martin about phil galfong videos being better learning material?

I disagree that OP should disregard PLO University because Martin has seen one video where he doesn't agree with a certain line JNandez has taken in a PLO tournament.

However, Elite membership on RIO is now $99 (if you want full access to PG) and I wouldn't be surprised, if someone was a beginner, that following PLO University curriculum may provide better holistic understanding quicker of PLO than following "paths" on RIO.

All the above, FYI, is purely assumptive.

You better get sure to beat at least micro stakes before spewing money

Thanks for explaining it.

Even though it says :-
"Are you a full-time PLO professional who wants to move up & win higher stakes?"

It seems like you need further training after the university, as you are only learning the theories that underpin the lab.

" You will learn the theories that underpin advanced PLO decision making being used by the highest stakes players to crush the games"
https://www.upswingpoker.com/plo-pot...aha-education/

It's very cleverly put.

I thought this was implied by it being a "plo university", you would have a solid understanding of PLO fundamentals and how to approach a good solution to a problem you have (but you don't necessarily know the solutions to some problems).

Hard to tell. His new program (Oct 23) is $200 initial + $100/mo thereafter. Fernando wasn't clear but it appears that PLO U will not get any new content so right off the bat you're going to be locked into some soon-to-br "outdated" info. IIRC he also implied, when PLOU was launched, that you also needed a bankroll of $1k ($3K??, $5k??) to give you time to learn how to apply concepts.

MartinGay1979 is obviously stuck in troll-mode for some reason... But thx for the laugh...

After some deliberation, I dove in head first and made the purchase. Thank you everyone for your valuable insights on whether to move forward on it. I was torn on the decision because while it was expensive, I felt that the structured program would probably pay for itself in a reasonable amount of time. Not sure if I'll ever do the lab in the long term as I primarily play PLO in a live setting, where solver based analysis may not be crucial for profitability.

No.I am serious here..I saw two videos of Jnandez and I had to stop everytime after 5 minutes of watching, because he made some donkey calls...There was a hand with QQQxx board I remember and viallian is c/r the river with obv. a Q and a Q only but JNandez called anyway.Sorry but OP is asking for opinions and I gave here my opinion that the univerity for 800$ is not worth it.

I'm with you. People can't see through the marketing apparently. For the first 3 weeks of his challenge he ran many many buyins over ev and since then has been breaking even/slightly losing. He couldn't sell any seats to his PLOUniversity so now he 'manufactures scarcity' and lowers the price before moving to a more lucrative business model selling the exact same thing.

This all begs the question: if you could beat 500PL for >5bb/100 why the hell would you trade that in to make way less money teaching others to play and making the poker environment harder? Answer: you wouldn't. So either he can't beat the game and this is all hype or he wants passive income because soon he won't be able to beat the game.

Which begs another question: why would you want to learn from someone that either can't beat the game or soon won't be able to?

I'm not saying he's horrible and everything he says is wrong, but I've seen him make obviously -ev plays many times and I suck at poker.

You're vastly underestimating how much money these guys make selling courses and vastly overestimating how much money there is to be made beating 500pl for 5bb/100.

You're also taking a course which is built to provide people with a framework on how they can effectively build their own fully comprehensive strategy and judging it based on whether or not Jnandez as an individual makes/made a -EV play in a certain spot.

It's the exact opposite. I'm saying he has calculated putting on a PLO course to be more lucrative than actually playing PLO. If that's the case, then it's probably in students best interest not to take the course, since one of the best players out there (supposedly) doesn't think it's worth playing! (and he plays relatively high stakes)

How worthwhile can someones strategy course be when PLO micro noobs can point out glaring mistakes in the application of his own strategy?

Whatever peoples opinions are - he's putting out quality FREE content on youtube.

That alone gets mny kudos as its his time, his experience that he is offering to us for FREE.

He has helped me fix a lot of leaks in my game by simply analysing what he does in similar spots and his reasoning why.

There will always be ppl willing to call out faults but he has built a 6 figure roll from PLO - most likely more than most of us here.

Now who wants to go half on the PLO university? ;-)

Well you wouldn't asses the worth of the product from his personal application would you. The worth comes in what you can produce from the framework yourself.

It's really not a difficult concept. If you were to critique the course based on what it's actually offering that would be fair game, but you're not, you're critiquing it based on some fairly irrelevant factors whilst also having no understanding of the actual product offering.

If he put out crappy content he'd get no exposure for the programs he's selling, so while the teaser content he puts out is free, it comes at the cost of you giving him exposure/views. Then you can look at it on a deeper level, where by giving him exposure and helping grow his brand, you make your games more difficult, so it ends up costing you even more.

I don't understand why he's shutting down the PLO university and coming out with the lab though, why not keep both? It sounds like they would very much compliment each other, so I'm skeptical about this hasty new direction so soon.

Such cynics on here.

Guy spends 2 hours everyday putting out content that you wont find anywhere else and he wants to make some extra bucks via his lab. I havent done these courses so i cant comment on this but based on whats hes done so far i think its ok to assume hes not a spoofer.

I'm always wary when it comes to being "fanboys" of vloggers but ive followed Jnandez for about 18 months now and the guy tells it how it is without all the added " fluff & click bait " of his fellow vloggers. Wont name them here but you know who they are.

Hes also doing a BR micro challenge at the moment. Its actually really helpful seeing how he approaches tricky spots and his reasoning behind it.

800 + people on his live stream daily lurking and probably 1 person signed up to the course over the past week.

Hes not exactly killing it financially with this free content

Let us know how you find it. Might sign up myself to the lab

500 PLO University sold=$500k. After Upswing's cut for marketing, Jnandez made maybe $400-$450k?

That's 1.6 million hands at 5bb at 500z. In 12 months. Variance free.