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He limped KKxx UTG so i coudln't put him on that

wut?

I didn't know that wasn't allowed. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ /s

Ps. Feel free to post hand histories properly.

You can't on global poker - this is the only way I can do it

Villan turn bet was really big this coupled with his raise on flop puts him on a narrow range (sets, wraps, FD and combos thereof). You're really only blocking middle set. Other than playing the hand to begin with I think c/r turn was the mistake. Just call turn and re-evaluate.

Based on your comments, I think you're underestimating Omaha hands. There's no reason you can't limp that hand UTG, and there is no such thing as a "ultra cooler" in Omaha anyway. This isn't even an "ultra cooler" in Holdem, just a standard set over set, which by the way happens all the time in Omaha. So unless your opponent shows a tendency to get overly aggressive with 2 pairs and draws, then don't bet that you have him beat. To be fair, online can be more aggressive than live poker, but it certainly doesn't reduce the number of set over set.

ya I think hands like this can hurt my win rate a lot. I should of won a lot more than I did last night.

I don't think I can fold the turn. Obviously the river was really bad, and we would of been able to save $120, but if the river paired the 7 I think i'm probably calling his river bet. I put him on a set of 4's most of the time and like kk 10% of the time. Turns out he had the worlds fair.

Nobody that is competent is playing a bare set of 4's like this...

Honestly it's baffling how you thought 44 was more a part of his range than KK. High pairs are prime candidates of hands that players like to limp in with early (usually with bad side-cards, although not in this case for some reason) to try and flop gin with.

He plays a lot of hands and gets it in pretty wide - probably a 70% vpip

Well that info would have been helpful in OP.... even so I think a lot of bad players are wary of over-playing bottom set in a limped pot, particularly when facing a pot bet. I think many players are just going to flat and hope to see a good turn before committing to a a raise.

You played this hand very bad. Why check/raise on the turn?

I thought I had the best hand - probably should of just called and could of easily folded river

Yeah....I understand trusting your reads, but you have middle set and no redraw of any kind. You don't block top set, you don't block flush draws, you only block the bottom wrap with your 5 and that's not saying much. I guess you block top 2, but he's probably not betting top two like that unless he has the nut flush draw with it (and it's probably top 2, but flush draw, and a gutter). He raises just under the pot on the flop and then bets just under pot on the turn. Sure feels like top set or a massive draw that he's not folding. I think calling the turn and folding the river makes a lot more sense because you have nothing but middle set.

These comments are too harsh. This is a tough spot and your line is ok. An unraised pot with high SPR when you flop a strong non-nut hand are some of the most difficult things to play in PLO.

Pre is standard. On the flop we're never folding, but still uncomfortable deep to re-raise. If we were lower SPR I'd just raise here and be fairly happy to get it in, but with these stacks a call seems like the only option.

Going to the turn about 1/2 the deck is going to be bad for us. If a diamond, A, Q, J, or 9 comes off I'm ok with a x/f or x/c depending on his sizing. On any safe card my plan is x/r. KK is all we're worried about, but his range should have far more pair+ draw, combo draws, and maybe 44 type holdings than just top sets.

I don't love raising the turn, but it seems like the best available option. If we call then we miss value from all his draws and set ourselves up for a very hard river spot on literally any river card (other than the ten) he decides to shove. If we raise and get called we're either a modest favorite or near dead. We probably have some fold equity, but mostly I feel forced into this line because all other options are worse.

The type of opponent that limps early is usually the type to player to play their draws passively. They won't always raise them (unless it's super nutty) - and tbf when you are 4 way that's the correct way to play draws anyway. And if they do raise them, they're prone to checking on a blank turn.

i agree with all of this

Right. This is why limited info like this is hard to give advice on. How has the villain played his strong made hands previously? How has he played his draws? In a vacuum, it feels like you're giving away chips in this hand because villain is betting a made hand strong, but if he's played that middle wrap with the nut flush draw the same way in previous hands, maybe there's reason to believe he's on a draw here as well. Knowing your opponent helps a lot and you can't play every hand the same way. It's hard to put him on KK89 double suited, but he could just as easily have KK62 and play it the same way he did.

I play the OP's hand a little slower on the turn, but that's more my style of play. Middle set, no redraw, and a villain jamming the flop and turn tells me he's not folding to my check raise. All I'm doing is giving him more incentive to play a big pot with either the nuts or a massive draw. The OP is deep enough to fold the river when a diamond comes. Harder to fold a river if a straight card falls, but the diamond comes and you can fold the river with 120 back (after putting in 18 on the flop and 38 on the turn).

Against a lot of sane opponents I doubt OPs line can be good, but...

If this read is right, and villain is wide pre. and barreling anything/everything big, we should be ahead often and turn x/r is better than x/c x/f on scare cards. Saying that the read is somewhat suspicious, esp. given the flop action ... I doubt villain takes this line with random QJ or random diamonds, much more usual "maniac" line would be to call here and bet big if checked to on turn, and/or maybe raise bets on turn scare cards. SB can certain have KK and often even maniacs don't want to just go with random 30% draws on the flop.

The problem is THIS.
Of course villian can limp with everything. Villian is playing like he has a strong made hand an not like a draw..So he has to have KKxx a lot of the time here...I would call it down here maybe considering even a fold on the river...