That raise looks weird for me. For any draw I will get odds and there are now many draws. How to play and what to think?

I think this is KK, not that I’d fold in game, but I realllly hate your flop lead. It’s such a dry board and you flopped the nuts, like why are you leading the flop?

Assuming this is KK, your flop lead allows villain to play perfectly against you.


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Also, what are you really trying to say here? For any draw you will get odds? You have no draw, other than a quads/boat draw, and if our homeboy has KK, then you’re dead to the lone remaining queen in the deck.




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no read or stats on villain? i think call or repot are both viable. definitely a bit worried about the KKK but maybe he has a smaller set, top two, or semi bluff raise also

Villain was VPIP: 77, PFR: 29, 3B: 15, no specific reads collected.

He actually had KK and I pushed AI and started to think how that situation should have been played.

ya im definitely re-potting a moderately loose aggro whale there. i mean u only lose to one hand. wouldnt be shocked to see villain show up with K4.

flop lead or c/r are both fine. tough to go wrong with top set on the flop. even c/c has its merits.

I prefer just a call. Lots of whales/fish play very aggressively pre but not post. A minraise with 2 pair on such a draw heavy board is weird. Also you're showing a ton of strength near-potting on this flop, this being any kind of bluff is extremely rare.

Any kind of evidence villain is aggro post and I prefer a shove though.

You consider 77/29/15 to be moderately Loose/Aggro? That feels a little more loose passive to me... I could be wrong, but I tend to think LAG when I see 75/45/20ish. I don’t know, I think the flop lead is awful given how dry the board is and being OOP is really working against us. Unless I’m reasonably sure I’m going to be raised to setup a shove, I’m checking the flop.

As face up as this hand was played, Vs hand is more face up after the turn jam.

Check call versus one, check raise versus two.



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In my experience passive players do not raise 30% of the time before the flop.

FWIW OP, I suggest that you NEVER post results when you post a thread - not even in spoiler tags. Results-oriented thinking can skew the advice you get.

I wouldn't know what to do in that turn spot. Minraises tilt me - they're so *(@#(*@# hard to fold to. They're also hard to just call because if he has something like K8 with two clubs you're making it easy for him to see a river, and OOP you have the tougher decision on the river. With all that said, what improved to beat you besides KK, and why would a naked KK call such an aggressive flop donk? I don't have anything else more meaningful to contribute on the turn.

I might be in the minority, but I agree with the flop lead 100%. There's almost no such thing as a dry board in PLO when there are 2 other players in the pot. Any 5, 6, 7, 9, T or J in someone's hand can create problems for you on the turn, and the reality is there are likely several of those cards out there. First, I wouldn't risk a free card, second, we want to get stacks in and stacks are very deep, so let's start building a pot. Donking is just a price you pay for playing hands out of position.

Why would not he lead?Maybe to give kk or aa free card so they can stack him?

Or perhaps to give some rundowns good turn card where they can improve from 10% to almost 40% with wrap+fd type hand?Being balanced in a 3way pot would be even worse answer.

Anyway when he min raises you I would say it is more likely top2 plus something or pair plus big draw then set of kk.Almost imposible to escape

this for you.

I guess I tend to play flops pretty passively when OOP. We have top set on a board that does not look very threatening to the CO who raised pre. I expect a cbet here... I think leading turns our hand a little face up in that V can now accurately assess that we have at worst two pair...

I’m often going to be looking to xr this flop, and am much more comfortable with it checking thru and ck-call the turn.