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03-11-2021 , 05:16 PM

Coconut420

newbie

Join Date: Jan 2021 Posts: 42

Hi,
what VPIP/PFR/3B have top players?

I saw a guy playing PLO200 and having 16/10/3, very tight.

now, I am playing micro stakes, PLO10 and PLO20 and I want to have the stats like top players.

What would you recommend to have in PLO10 and PLO20?

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03-12-2021 , 08:45 AM

steamboatin

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Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 7,124

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Originally Posted by Coconut420

You are unlikely to get very many replies to this post. This is a strategy forum and you didn't ask a strategy question. That being said, different stakes play differently so just mimicking the stats from a top PLO200 player, will not accomplish your goal. If you were to mimic stats, which is not a good idea but I have heard a lot worse ideas, you should mimic the stats of the good players at your level.

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03-12-2021 , 09:50 AM

InkyPoker

adept

Join Date: Dec 2020 Posts: 807

Just play each hand the best to your ability. Database analysis is very 2017

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03-12-2021 , 09:45 PM

bdruzin

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Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 190

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Originally Posted by steamboatin

This is a strategy forum and you didn't ask a strategy question.

I don't understand this response. It's not a specific hand about a question, but how many hands you play preflop is part of an overall strategy, right? And people have pretty definitive opinions about preflop hand selection, so it would follow that there's a generally recommended VPIP/PFR/3B for winning play. If there wasn't, then things solver-based preflop guides like PLO Matrix would have no validity.

Happy to hear if I'm missing something.

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03-13-2021 , 01:43 AM

Vvvvv

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2020 Posts: 544

VeniVidi 3bets 10 % in 6max and 15 % in HU.

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03-13-2021 , 03:56 AM

Coconut420

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Join Date: Jan 2021 Posts: 42

What about VPIP/PFR?

is he tight on UTG and MP , and loose on CO and BTN?
defending a lot of SB and BB?

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03-13-2021 , 05:25 AM

Vvvvv

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2020 Posts: 544

No idea. He only shared his 3b on Twitter.

I'd say, that studying preflop solutions is the right way to go. Bare numbers won't tell you much.

glgl

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03-13-2021 , 07:26 PM

steamboatin

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Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 7,124

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Originally Posted by bdruzin

Probably not missing anything. I often struggle with reading comprehension.

Specific questions tend to better responses and general questions often get ignored. I mostly didn't want to leave him hanging.

I didn't see a strategy question, I saw someone I assumed to be relatively new or relatively young that might to be focusing on the wrong thing.

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03-13-2021 , 08:15 PM

illiterat

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Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 2,475

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Originally Posted by bdruzin

I don't understand this response.

people have pretty definitive opinions about preflop hand selection, so it would follow that there's a generally recommended VPIP/PFR/3B for winning play. If there wasn't, then things solver-based preflop guides like PLO Matrix would have no validity.

You are mostly right for VPIP/PFR, but just knowing a number isn't that helpful because how solvers construct those ranges won't be how you construct them ... thus. you can both have 20% PFR but be wrong.

Also I think 3bet ranges can quickly go off the rails. The solvers/matrix/etc. are assuming GTO opening ranges by villains, which is "slightly" wrong vs. better players but massively wrong vs. worse players, with some of them limping a bunch but only be opening AA and maybe some premium ds stuff.

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03-17-2021 , 12:07 PM

#10

HotChips

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Join Date: Nov 2016 Posts: 316

25/17/9

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03-17-2021 , 12:15 PM

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InkyPoker

adept

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9 is way too high, imo.

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