1)
The game is crazy lose
Villain is mp, early 30 armenian guy, never seen him bad moves, looks like a good player,viewing hero as a tight player
5-5$, 1200$ effective,8 handed
Hero otb with KQJT5ss

Folds to villain, villain raises 20, call,hero call, two calls from blind
Flop KTTss (100$)
Checks to villain,who bets 25$,fold,hero raises 100$,all fold, v call
Turn 5s (300$)
V donks 125,hero call
River 3h (550$)
Hero? About 1000 behind


2)
5-10$,6 handed
Villain is a fish who capable for bluffing and like to push in 3 bet pots wide, now he win about 2k and waiting for a good cards, viewing hero as a tight, who can 3 bet or 4 bet not only aces
V is btn covers hero

Hero is bb 1800$ with QJT75hhdd
Limp to villain,who raises 45$,fold,hero 3bet 140,v call

Flop QJ3sch (290$)
Hero bets 225$,v call

Turn Kd (740$)
Check, check

River 2h
Hero check, v bets 400,hero?

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man i hate 5 card PLO

if we are in IP in hand 1, then you forgot to post villain's river action, as he should be acting first. if he is leading river again i'm totally fine to just call unless he bets something super small (in which case i'd raise). if he's checking then we v-bet. also i'd fold it pre.

hand 2: tough spot. i think i'd bet flop smaller. think i'm betting turn also. as played, i think if villain is capable of bluffing i can understand the case for a call. but if he was on a pure bluff i think it makes a lot more sense for him to bluff the turn. since he checked back the turn i tend to think this is often a value-range, and often something afraid of a c/r on the turn or trying to pot control.

honestly don't really know what i'd do in second hand but think i'm mostly folding OTR there.

Sorry,
v checks
Hero?
Hero bets 150, v shoves, hero folds
Is it a good move if we were on villain place with KT?

Have to call H1 though you're probably always losing
Probably fold H2

i'm a fish who doesn't know how to fold full houses, but really what are you beating?

you have a 5 making T5 a lot less likely. and i'm not sure how 55 gets to turn barring something like AA55, QQ/JJ+55ss combos. and even then 55 or the even less likely 33, or T3 isn't gonna check/shove in 5 card.

normally i'd think the turn lead is something like nut flush that wants to put a pot controlling bet out, but then the river check/shove is just way unlikely of a line for something that has relatively strong SD value.

that said, the other factor here is that you bet 150 into 550. so a small bet like that i feel like is gonna regulate his raising range. shipping nut flush here seems suicidal, because, well, bluffing people off of FH's is really hard.

but small bets like these will cause many/most players to open up their value range. so if he does have KT here he's definitely gonna check/ship here.

wish i had better advice. i hate 5 card PLO.

Are you suggesting T5/55 as value raises? Because that would be much too thin -- KK/KT on the flop is already 15%+ of hero's entire dealt range (meaning before the flop check-raise).

So KK is the minimum value raise, KT is an attempt to bluff out chops, and bluffs should be something like a flush or AQJ with a K blocker. T5 would be a pure bluffcatcher and also not the best bluff because it makes KK comparatively more likely.



As for the river decision: I think I'd call because KT can jam more confidently after this line against our bet size, so we probably chop a lot.

With our hand, I think the line in the hand is okay in practice, since 5CPLO is a lesser-known game. But against someone who knows 5CPLO ranges, after a c-bet on the flop five-way, you are essentially always running into KK/KT when a raise and two additional bets go in, so I'd flat the flop (preferably) or check back the river if not.

No idea what to say about H2 at the moment.

no i'm saying that it's hard to see those hands show up to begin with, let alone raise.

Thank you a lot for posting, I folded and afraided that we chop, i think it will be a great line to ch-shove on the place villain vs a tight player, cause with KK he will valuebet more.
Next time I will check back, otf i thought about calling but prefer to raise. I had a tight image so I think a call is also good.
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That doesn't make a lick of sense.

At least in limit poker when someone sighs and says "I know I'm beat" and throws in the last bet in a 20 bet pot, their play makes sense because they really mean "I'm over 90% sure I'm beat." I'm not sure what you're saying.

Against an unknown I'd fold. I already know what pocket kings look like and don't need to pay to see them. If this happens a lot then I can adjust.

I wouldn't assume this in Villain's shoes. People slowplay and then get too little value from their nut hands. All the time.

If you think they have a reason to attack your small vbets then throw in a few "weak leads" with nutlike hands and get paid off. But against an unknown (you) without a read that they (you) bet/fold a lot, XR bluffing seems dubious.

Live players generally suck at value betting so bluff raising them with a showdownable hand isn't great.


Checking down the river here is really really bad unless you have a read that they're capable of XR bluffing and XR for value so that you're going to hate facing that decision.

yeah, people take all kinds of wacky lines with the nuts. especially in live play. like this line is so weird i pmuch never expect anything less than KK.

No calling range if you fold.

So what? We're unknown to him. He doesn't know our calling range is Ø.

Ok bossman

Not trying to be mean, I promise. Just saying, I think we're overthinking it if we try to be GTO or even close. Most live players aren't XRing here with anything other than the effective nuts.