my point was that even the nits who are on the lowest level of thinking about PLO can beat micros, and you called yourself a thinking player
You might think but you are thinking wrong

The quicker you accept that you are not good at plo and have a reality check you have more chance to become a winning PLO player. Accepting that you are not as good as you might think and using peoples advices is not an easy thing to do but its your only way to improve and start winning. Dont be an Ego maniac because it wont get you anywhere.
Be happy that people comment on your thread and actually give you advices, most of people on PLO board just dont give a **** anymore

"My cbet % is standard" -this is not true
"I also balance my play and bet sizing based on board texture, number of opponents, and expected ranges" -maybe you do but do it incorrectly; do you really think if you did everything right you would lose 15bb at plo10?

lets be real; plo10 is easy and everyone that does the stuff you mentioned crushes w 10+bb

If someone else reviewed your session im sure there would be tons of leaks

I also told him to get a coach, even offered him a 10h package for a lot less then 500$(im not a coach but im one of the biggest winners on plo25/plo50 on a big sample). Didnt even get a response from him

People are not willing to invest in knowledge, that 500$ would give him a much much better chance to actually make money in PLO. Instead he dropped that 500$ in 2 weeks on plo10 without learning a thing

Cbetting too wide. Barreling too wide. Arriving to river with too weak range in spots where pot is big. Won@sd too low. Few things to get started. To fix those you need better game plan, better understanding how to split your range between bluffs, vbets and which hands to check-back/check-call.

Playing your own cards is easily enough to win on low limits if you understand your ranges, how high you are in yours and opponents ranges.

That's a really good deal. Unless this is your first time, you should charge more.

Really appreciate all the advise in this thread. Going to start working on it asap. Thanks

As for the coaching offer, it is hard for me to trust random people on the internet. I was scammed before in a coaching offer (the guy used doctored stats). So when deciding whether or not to accept I just thought ok I can spend $400 on coaching from a person with 80 posts and sent me a screen shot of an alias with solid winrates. Or I can pay for 4 months of Jnandez. I mean no disrespect. It just didnt make sense to me at the time.

Thanks,I know i could/should ask more

Its not my first time coaching, im just not a full time coach but a reg

And im aware most people on micros cant afford coaching or dont want to pay no matter how good the price is. Thats why i dont ask for much

thats ok

It is a small sample, but I tried my best to tighten up a bit. Getting rid of some of the hands I consider borderline. This obviously led to a bit more aggression since I was hitting the flops harder and getting myself in less marginal spots. But I also toned down my cbetting a bit. I didnt try to hit any specific stats. I am always trying to outthink and outplay my opponents and maybe this has become my leak. I also think just calling WAY too much and not giving the players I consider fish enough credit for solid hands, was a problem. It wasnt showing as that glaring in my stats for some reason. But after pouring over hands in my DB for hours, it became very obvious that I needed to call a lot less on every single street.

I obviously have a lot more tweaking to do. But even if I get to a point where im BE. I would pretty happy. Then I can get a coach or whatever to take me to the next level.

Thanks for the advice guys.

Watched some of his streams last night - he seems to go against all usual advice. Was calling UTG pot raises with stuff like AT74ss and then folding flops. Plays far too many hands compared to what most people usually advise so i'm surprised he is winning.

Can anyone explain how some can play such 'trash' hands and still be profitable ? Is it just knowing when to not continue ?

Plo is a game where most of your money is made post flop. Now that doesnt mean preflop doesn't matter, but it doesnt matter much. Extracting max value with winners, bluffing well, folding when you should and losing the minkmum when you have the bottom of your calling range are how you win. Because of that preflop stats of winning players vary a lot.

But is calling pot sized bet oop with things like AT35ds and then folding the flop profitable ? Saw that multiple times and every strategy site i read says don't do it.

10bb, you need to work on your postflop game. I read the hands you posted, and it seems you have a sense of entitlement to these pots, based on villains' preflop stats and your idea of what they should show up with. You should listen to what their postflop actions are telling you.


Why so small? This is not a rethorical question. Did you want to induce a bluff raise? Was there a customer you didn't want to lose?

You flopped the nuts with redraw. You have 4 customers. Someone is going to have something. Bet big.
What was your plan on a flop like this? You are a 40-60 dog against the hand he's repping, so check-fold to one bet is not an option. But against a bet and a raise you are not getting the pot odds you need.
I picked this hand because there is a trend in these hands. The pots you lose are way bigger than the pots you win, and here you see why this is so. This is a problem you should work on.

This is a situation I find myself in often enough and I dont really know how bad I am playing it. I vary my play between betting twice and folding to a raise and check raise shoving depending.

Winning Poker, Omaha Pot Limit - $0.10/$0.25 - 6 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker

UTG: $25.00 (100 bb)
MP: $31.27 (125 bb)
CO: $25.70 (103 bb)
BU: $29.40 (118 bb)
SB (Hero): $25.00 (100 bb)
BB: $25.35 (101 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with 9♣ 2♠ A♦ A♥
UTG raises to $0.85, 2 players fold, BTN calls $0.85, Hero 3-bets to $3.65, 2 players fold, BTN calls $2.80

Flop: ($8.40) 4♣ 8♦ 8♥ (2 players)
Hero bets $1.99, BTN calls $1.99

Turn: ($12.38) K♥ (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $8.82, Hero raises to $19.36 (all-in), BTN calls $10.54

Yeah I bet small to induce or just get a lot of players to come along. There are a lot more good cards than bad cards for me. And since I hit the flop so hard, who else can have anything? I have the nuts with the nut redraw. If someone else flopped a set they will usually jam for me. If I bet big it will be obvious that I have AA and I expect little to no action.

I assumed I was getting the odds, or at least close to when I jammed.

But yes, my problem is that the pots I win are much smaller than the pots I lose. So how do I fix this or where do I find the info needed?

I will post a couple more hands that probably showcase my leak

Winning Poker, Omaha Pot Limit - $0.10/$0.25 - 7 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker

UTG: $139.84 (559 bb)
MP: $31.32 (125 bb)
MP+1: $123.26 (493 bb)
CO: $27.93 (112 bb)
BU: $57.32 (229 bb)
SB: $25.00 (100 bb)
BB (Hero): $27.95 (112 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with J♦ K♣ Q♣ J♣
4 players fold, BTN raises to $0.85, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.80) Q♠ 7♣ T♥ (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $1.46, Hero raises to $6.09, BTN calls $4.63

Turn: ($13.98) J♥ (2 players)
Hero bets $13.29, BTN raises to $26.58, Hero calls $7.72 (all-in)

I usually do not call this pre without a ss. Also I did not assume he would cr 88 here, maybe 38, but he was, as is the theme, a spewy player with a 70+vpip over 300 hands.

Winning Poker, Omaha Pot Limit - $0.10/$0.25 - 4 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker

UTG: $33.97 (136 bb)
BU: $45.53 (182 bb)
SB: $50.62 (202 bb)
BB (Hero): $26.46 (106 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with T♦ 3♣ A♥ K♠
1 fold, BTN raises to $0.50, SB calls $0.40, Hero calls $0.25

Flop: ($1.50) 8♠ 3♥ 3♠ (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $0.25, SB raises to $2.18, Hero calls $2.18, BU folds

Turn: ($6.11) T♣ (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3.15, SB raises to $6.30, Hero calls $3.15

River: ($18.71) A♦ (2 players)
SB bets $17.78, Hero calls $17.48 (all-in)

AA is NOT a mandatory 3b preflop. And these aces are one of the worst you can get, you will be OOP vs 2 players w too big SPR. terrible 3b

do you have a check/call range? you are getting it in behind because you overplay your hands in a lot of spots

Don't 3bet pre.

Turn makes no sense. WTF are you trying to do by x/r turn? Like do you have a single hand in your DB where you do that and someone calls worse? Even if you have KK here half the time (lol) and people call with any 4s all the time (yes), it's still bad. You don't even have the flush draw ... so even if by some miracle villain calls with K*hh ... he's actually got near 25% equity (as against you, where you'll have like 5% against the random 4).

Well I am not trying to get a call, I am trying to get a bluff and get FDs to call with worse or fold their equity. That is my thinking anyway

You will not make money at the plo micros on ACR. It's a fools errand. Rake is too high and player pool is suspect.

Yeah I dont always 3bet pre, but surely more than I should. I would say this is 50% 3bet and 50% call for me atm. I could make it 100% call.

I mean here I put him on two pair KK, AA, and maybe but not likely straight draws right? I did not give him a lot of AKK AAK combos or KJ J9 because I block them. And possibly a set. I dont think many of those bet here, which may be why I bet.

So I felt like I was beating that range pretty well, and if he ended up with AK unlucky me but I have a few outs.

I guess the bottom line is that, I do not check call very much without a strong made hand in these spots because it feels like I am getting owned when they bet 99% of the time. It feels like they bet 99% of the time, I do not know how often they actually do. I know vs missed flop cbets the average reg in my db is betting over 70%.

I am not giving up often enough in big pots maybe? I dont feel like I need to or deserve to win them. I just feel like check calling and check folding is so exploitable and weak.

This is just the top 10 volume regs I have played against. I took out lakemode because they suck and do not really play anymore

Like I said. The player pool on ACR is suspect. Wish you the best.