The flush draw only came in on the turn, and you have the A. As a general rule I'd assume you'd get villains to fold all their floats/bluffs/K8 hands (that they decided to call flop and bet turn) and call when they have a 4 (which they always call flop and bet turn) ... so where's the bluff? Maybe you get someone better to fold a weak 4 with this line, until they see you do this once and make a note at which point you'll be back to winning a ~50bb pot or losing a ~100bb one and the odds of which it is aren't in your favour.

So in real time my thinking is that my small bet, and then check looks VERY weak. If they have me beat, they have me beat, I cannot do anything about that. But when people do this line against me, I bet the turn with nearly my entire range, because it is weak AF.

It is basically the reason I bet small on the flop to begin with. I want TT etc in there with me. Then when I check the turn, I want that same BS to bet because it is the only way they can win now.

Maybe I am just over thinking it? Or my thinking is just garbage. Anyways I am working on throwing all this stuff out of my playbook and just trying to play as ABC poker as I possibly can to build a baseline. Then build on that, with more advanced plays.

One of the guys above put it best I think. I feel entitled to too many pots and I need to listen to what their postflop actions are telling me.

I will keep posting hands for you guys to critique, because the discussion has been great imo. And I appreciate it.

Agree, these Aces are so bad that they are barely playable.
Turn is as bad as these aces, when you rip it, what do you expect to beat there?

I mean I expect to beat nearly everything. I am inducing. That is my line of thinking. I assume, maybe incorrectly that people float in PLO as they do in NL. And then they attack weakness.

So my line is 3 bet (big cards, AA, KK, some suited rundowns etc), flop is bad for most ranges. So weak stab. Doesnt work, give up. If the player is paying attention they are going to bet here, as they should. My line is a give up line.

When I cr I am repping an 8 or a hand that is so strong I won't be giving it up whatever it is I have and they should fold everything that is not a strong 8, KK, 44.

How should I play it instead? Bet then check fold? Bet/fold, Bet/fold then Check/Bet/fold? I mean this situation happens all day. It is the one situation where I feel the least confident.

Firstly you could obviously avoid getting into that kind of situation with those crappy aces, but as played i think flop is fine and turn check is definitely fine as well. After that it's anyones guess. It's a big sizing and you can go either way. Kinda sucks that we have the Ah, because his good semi-bluff candidates on this turn could be like AKxxhh type of hands. Either way if i am not a believer, i am calling turn and planning to call most of the rivers. If you rip it, you are pretty much fked. He is probably never gonna call a worse hand there and his sizing is pretty committing, don't think you have much FE. I don't think people in micros are gonna try to push you off your aces, they just play their hands and aren't assigning ranges to you. Obviously any info on villain would help, but i think folding the turn vs a random is not bad.
KQJJccc is overplayed. Flop probably fine, turn is a spew as everything gets there. And you only have a 1 blocker to K9/AK and even 89, so it's not very unlikely he got there. Look at that hand for a second, no flushdraws on the flop and he bet/calls your potsized raise. What is his range? Wraps/sets, AKQx/AKJx with backdoor fd('s) etc. That turn smacks his range and you just put it in.
AKT3 not defending and not folding vs a spazz at any point, even though that turn c/minraise looks very nutted.

you obv dont understand that there is very few good boards for AA92 rainbow OOP vs 2 players with that SPR, and on those kind of boards you wont get action most of the time

this 3b is awful


Flop is a problem in the other hand. Your thinking is not "deep" at all. You dont think about what villian can continue when you x/R this board. You x/R and get it in-you are crushed and by x/R you get all his crap that you crush atm to fold.

your wr/results show there is a lot of bad plays for sure and now when people point out to your mistakes you are defending your lines.
First of all you said you are x/shoveing AA as a bluff; you expect people to fold 8x, 44?
If you think he has a lot of bluffs here, then the correct play would be to x/C and x/C any river, not shove turn and let him get out of the trap...

I simply was explaining my thought process. Is that ok with you?

If I am wrong (which I said I very well could be) I need to at least say what is on my mind to get to the problem.

I am not shoving it as a bluff. I am trying to get THEM to bluff and fold any equity they have. If they fold weak trips too, cool. I was under the assumption that this would be better with a 1 pair hand than check call inducing since hands are going to have a fair amount of equity against a single pair hand.

And with all that said, I am not defending it as the correct play. I am just saying my thought process. Nothing else.

Emotions are hard to convey well across the internet, with just plain text. Try not to escalate them. If you are explaining what you thought at the time it's probably better to explicit say "I thought ... XYZ ... what do people think?"

Think more about what equity do people have on 844K when they are behind? Monster worst case is 8765hh which has 17ish (welcome to PLO ... but much more often villain has 2-6 outs when he's behind, so you gain very little by him folding (and he can't continue bluffing).

The way ahead / behind concept from NLHE doesn't often apply in PLO, but this is one of the boards/hands where it kind of does.

Like this play is much better if the board is 843Khh and you have AAhh, where if you are behind you have decent redraws and villain is much more likely to have draws/equity.

makes sense thanks

So things are going a bit better online.

Since switching my style to a more ABC game and not fighting to win extra pots just because. And letting the players actions dictate my actions a bit more. Getting a bit less aggro and trying to call on the rivers less. I am winning 8.6bb/100 EV. I appreciate everyone that took the time to respond here. I have a lot of stuff to work on, but I believe I am moving in the right direction.

The first graph is from the day I made the change. The big downswing in the middle was me falling back into old habits. Which I realized and corrected, but not before dropping 10 buyins. The 2nd graph is for this year and the arrow shows the date of change.

always keep in mind three simple words regarding the PLO:
quality not quantity!

So, I read through this thread somewhat quickly, I have to admit. But a few general things:

Keep in mind that PLO is very high-variance. This doesn't only come from small all-in edges, but every consequence of being dealt four cards that interact with five more cards. (Plus, you can't bet more than the pot, so you can only price folks out so effectively.)

Don't read TOO much into a short-term W$SD, a short-term winrate, or even short-term stats. Like, when I multitable on Ignition, I can look like a completely different type of player from table to table just due to the randomness of how playable the combos I'm dealt are.

And the long run in PLO is obscenely long. You need to be able to keep your head on straight through thousands (even tens of thousands) of extremely challenging hands. PLO mental game really is crucial, and mental game leaks can sneak up on you pretty easily to cloud your judgement.

I won't comment more specifically on your play as it seems like you're in the middle of making adjustments. I'll just say that I definitely saw some questionable lines ITT, and that you should be careful not to play too many tables or for too many hours.