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04-17-2018 , 09:35 AM
I feel I'm giving away money in these spots, but at the same time I feel this is part of PLO variance

When I bet this flop I'm obv ahead, but what turn cards are good for me? About half the deck is going to b sketchy. I really see no option other than a perfect runout where I win vs an aggro villain if I cbet flop. But I don't feel checking flop for pot control is good. Im lost. Whats your line


Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 226.9 BB (VPIP: 62.92, PFR: 2.30, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 89)
BB: 250.2 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 16.99, 3Bet Preflop: 3.19, Hands: 1,079)
UTG: 44 BB (VPIP: 71.43, PFR: 26.32, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)
Hero (MP): 100 BB
CO: 135 BB (VPIP: 57.14, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)
BTN: 87.7 BB (VPIP: 58.39, PFR: 26.08, 3Bet Preflop: 6.97, Hands: 569)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A Q A Q

fold, Hero raises to 3.5 BB, CO calls 3.5 BB, fold, SB calls 3 BB, fold

Flop: (11.5 BB, 3 players) 7 A 5
SB checks, Hero bets 11 BB, CO calls 11 BB, fold

Turn: (33.5 BB, 2 players) 8
Hero checks, CO bets 23.9 BB, fold

CO wins 31.9 BB

0.4 BB was deducted from the pot for the jackpot.
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04-17-2018 , 01:33 PM
too weak. 69 and 64 are the only draws that get there. first one shouldn't even be possible without some kind of flush draw or 2 pair backup. flush draw and 68 still didn't get there. so, if you check, definitely call. just think about it, if you're him and have A7 or A8, you would bet when checked to for value/protection. so not calling here is pretty bad IMO.

for me a bigger question is if you should bet or check turn. maybe checking is better since it was 3way on the flop.
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04-17-2018 , 03:27 PM
Do you always pot flop with the nuts, and fold on board-changing turns?
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04-17-2018 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Shocked
Do you always pot flop with the nuts, and fold on board-changing turns?
No. And I fully admit this may be bad play. Tryna learn.

While I did flop the nuts, this is a dynamic game and can change drastically street by street. I am OOP and I have an aggro Villain potting and I'm certain he will barely the river frequently. With a straight and FD on board I feel at this moment I am deciding not only the turn but I have to contemplate rivers.

Again, I may have f'd up bad. But I do feel the turn spot it interesting. Not only if I should fold, but if this is a check or bet from me on this turn
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04-17-2018 , 04:40 PM
Yes its very weak. But you can fix it. Its definitely a bet on the flop to charge draws, even if its going to get you to tough spots time to time. You could bet a little smaller on flop, like 8bb or even smaller. You dont have to pot it and hope the hand ends right there, you have the nuts andd you want to play it! If youre scared of the draws coming in, you can think it this way: your opponent is going to hit a flush like 1/3 of the time, you are going to make a fullhouse 1/3 of the time. So does it matter. A pot here a pot there. Of course theres also wraps and stuff, but they dont always have it, and even in worst case you have like 40% equity. When u size your bets down a bit, youre not so vunerable to checkraises and big turn bets if you have to check. In these cases where you clearly have the range advantage on A high flop, you dont even have to make a big bet to make opponents feel uncomfortable continuing in the hand, they already know they might be in bad shape even if they catch a hand. U could also induce a aggro opponent to bluffraise you and then ofcourse you should be happy to stack off. U could also mix in some flop checks with more suitable sidecards that dont really fear turns like AAxx with hearts and stuff. As played, call the turn bet and checkcall a safe looking river also. Opponent might also sometimes bet a smaller set on safe runouts in hopes of getting called by Axxx.
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04-17-2018 , 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Ari88
Yes its very weak. But you can fix it. Its definitely a bet on the flop to charge draws, even if its going to get you to tough spots time to time. You could bet a little smaller on flop, like 8bb or even smaller. You dont have to pot it and hope the hand ends right there, you have the nuts andd you want to play it! If youre scared of the draws coming in, you can think it this way: your opponent is going to hit a flush like 1/3 of the time, you are going to make a fullhouse 1/3 of the time. So does it matter. A pot here a pot there. Of course theres also wraps and stuff, but they dont always have it, and even in worst case you have like 40% equity. When u size your bets down a bit, youre not so vunerable to checkraises and big turn bets if you have to check. In these cases where you clearly have the range advantage on A high flop, you dont even have to make a big bet to make opponents feel uncomfortable continuing in the hand, they already know they might be in bad shape even if they catch a hand. U could also induce a aggro opponent to bluffraise you and then ofcourse you should be happy to stack off. U could also mix in some flop checks with more suitable sidecards that dont really fear turns like AAxx with hearts and stuff. As played, call the turn bet and checkcall a safe looking river also. Opponent might also sometimes bet a smaller set on safe runouts in hopes of getting called by Axxx.

hey thanks for input.

Yea im not worried about flop. The turn has me as idk what line I should be taking.
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04-17-2018 , 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by LoudPacquiao

While I did flop the nuts, this is a dynamic game and can change drastically street by street. I am OOP and I have an aggro Villain potting and I'm certain he will barely the river frequently. With a straight and FD on board I feel at this moment I am deciding not only the turn but I have to contemplate rivers.
Not wanting to face tough decisions is a bad reason to fold. By extension, just don't raise AAQQ preflop in the first place! You might see 987 flops and have to fold to a pot bet on the flop!

V bets 2/3 pot on turn, which he could easily be doing w/ 2p+FD, lower sets, & non-nut straights too.

If turn bricks out for you, it's a pretty easy decision if V bets pot again.
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04-17-2018 , 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Shocked
By extension, just don't raise AAQQ preflop in the first place! You might see 987 flops and have to fold to a pot bet on the flop!
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This has to be a trolling.

I think you play fine a little weak in my opinion. If we lead this flop with no hearts blockers you have to be willing to call down alot of turn and river because that turn is a very good place to bluff.

If you check flop you get to call turn cheaper that's all, you can't fold every turn if a scary card showup in PLO.
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04-17-2018 , 08:32 PM
Would it be terrible to check raise the turn rather than check folding? It would certainly show strength, you could get a fold and not have to worry about a river, or even if they go over the top, you have some equity.

-d
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04-17-2018 , 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Furious_D
Would it be terrible to check raise the turn rather than check folding? It would certainly show strength, you could get a fold and not have to worry about a river, or even if they go over the top, you have some equity.

-d
Yes it is a terrible idea to check raise the turn because of the preflop action when we check raise the turn we pretty much saying that we have either aa46 or aa69. Since villain can be calling us wide preflop he could be holding some of the combo that just make it really hard for us to rep such a narrow range.
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04-18-2018 , 11:31 PM
Weak. Since only two straights got there (96xx, 64xx), I think betting the turn (around 2/3 to 3/4 pot) is the best play. If the guy raises you, reevaluate (bet/fold or bet/call).
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04-19-2018 , 01:14 PM
I was about to respond that your play was fine, then I realized you had AAQQ not AQQ.

Very easy flop and turn value-bets at PLO10. Vs very tough players deep you can *maybe* do something like check/call turn.
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04-19-2018 , 06:47 PM
I appreciate all the advice guys. Will be taking things said here to heart
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04-19-2018 , 10:42 PM
ACR PLO10 I've seen very little bluffing so probably some 2pr+FD or str8 draw.

IMO I would limp expecting to call a CO raise. Keeps your range wide so it would be harder to put you on Axxx let alone AAxx. With that flop you don't want to bloat the pot w/out backup so C/C flop and turn.
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