Way too many people play like it's NLHE, and thus experience WAY bigger swongs.

I have a new favorite player. I almost didn't raise on the river cause he's gotta have a straight right. I mean no-one would bet there without it, surely.

Strange thing was up til this he seemed a reasonable player. Maybe I should pay more attention.


Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: $6.15
SB: $7.65
BB: $11.75
UTG: $10.60
UTG+1: $7.60
UTG+2: $11.15
MP1: $10.15
Hero (MP2): $14.40
CO: $9.40

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP2 with 5 Q J 5
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.10, UTG+2 calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.10, CO calls $0.10, BTN calls $0.10, SB calls $0.05, BB checks

Flop: ($0.70) K 9 T (7 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, CO folds, BTN folds, SB folds, BB calls $0.30, UTG+1 calls $0.30

Turn: ($1.90) 4 (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 bets $0.20, Hero raises to $1.60, BB calls $1.60, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls $1.40

River: ($6.70) 5 (3 players)
BB bets $6.40, UTG+2 folds, Hero raises to $12.40 all in, BB calls $3.35 all in

Final Pot: $26.20
BB mucks 8 K 6 T
Hero shows 5 Q J 5 (a straight, Nine to King)
Hero wins $24.95
(Rake: $1.25)


Actually 1 thing that crossed my mind before I hit raise was 'am I just increasing the rake for pokerstars?' do they take the same rake off split pots as normal pots?

Hi 2+2

if you see a fish sitting with lots of money at the PLO50 HU tables, it probably came from me.

i've dropped 13 buyins to 3 different super passive fish HU over the lsat 24 hours. i mean i've experienced the variance of PLO, but against FISH? blah. it's just so disgusting to CR flop with set + nfd and lose to gut-shot + lower fd on the turn..... or 3bet preflop, and bet bet bet and lose to something that had like 23% equity on the flop (OESD on a flush draw board, no pair ldo)

The biggest pot I have won over that stretch was 26bb. No joke. I've lost 1300bb to fish and the biggest pot I ever won was 26bb.....

Not to say I didn't play bad in some spots - it makes me feel like a moron to be losing to fish, and I guess my play deteriorates, but running god awful makes it seem like my B game isn't good enough to beat a fish..... but it is

kk /end vent

If it makes you feel any better I'm fairly happy that you're not playing 6-max anymore.

That's probably because you've moved up to PLO100 and I'm still stuck at PLO50 =P

If you haven't, you should check this thread from BBV. Post #41 in the thread has the latest update.

Guess I should feel honoured that TAGs are playing back at me like this... but losing with AAxx the entire day makes me feel pretty awful lol.

Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP: $14.40
CO: $64.70
BTN: $59.15
Hero (SB): $62.30
BB: $54.90
UTG: $50.00

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with 5 J A A
1 fold, MP calls $0.50, 1 fold, BTN raises to $2.25, Hero raises to $7.75, BB raises to $26, 2 folds, Hero raises to $62.30 all in, BB calls $28.90 all in

Flop: ($112.55) 9 A T

Turn: ($112.55) 6

River: ($112.55) Q

Final Pot: $112.55
Hero shows 5 J A A (three of a kind, Aces)
BB shows J 4 J K (a straight, Ace high)
BB wins $109.55
(Rake: $3.00)

I know how u feel bro, same here lost 10 BI to a bunch of total fish in about 6hours.
The best one, floped the nut flush against bottom 2 pair in get in all in and he
makes a boat on the river wins a pot over 300bb then instaleaves
So dam tilted its untrue.

100 CAP PLO

I SNAP called the river, Kenny Tran styleeeee


Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP: $50.25
CO: $49.75
BTN: $21.45
Hero (SB): $55.50
BB: $61.20
UTG: $46.00

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with 8 A Q A
2 folds, CO raises to $1.75, BTN calls $1.75, Hero raises to $7.50, BB calls $7, CO calls $5.75, 1 fold

Flop: ($24.25) 9 6 5 (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, CO checks

Turn: ($24.25) 3 (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $7.50, CO folds, Hero calls $7.50

River: ($39.25) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $21, Hero calls $21

Final Pot: $81.25
Hero shows 8 A Q A (two pair, Aces and Threes)
BB shows Q K J 8 (a pair of Threes)
Hero wins $78.25
(Rake: $3.00)

Unfortunately, this is not the case.

After yesterday my good fortune continues

Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (BB): $48.30
BTN/SB: $58.30

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with J K Q K
BTN/SB raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $4.50, BTN/SB calls $3

Flop: ($9.00) 3 J 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $9, BTN/SB calls $9

Turn: ($27.00) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $27, BTN/SB calls $27

River: ($81.00) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $7.80 all in, BTN/SB calls $7.80

Final Pot: $96.60
Hero shows J K Q K (a pair of Kings)
BTN/SB shows 7 6 8 7 (three of a kind, Sevens)
BTN/SB wins $96.10
(Rake: $0.50)

Haha BB is a baller ldo

I think I saw you taking a few shots then. Moving up soon though?

lol mis click aments, at least i won side pot!
Poker Stars $0.50/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

stokie (BB): $59.50
Hero (UTG): $148.00
actionswift (MP): $44.85
IamTazz (CO): $100.00
sean1977 (BTN): $211.10
Stampg (SB): $110.20

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is UTG with 8 J 9 8
Hero raises to $3.50, actionswift raises to $12, 3 folds, stokie raises to $40, Hero calls $36.50, actionswift raises to $44.85 all in, stokie calls $4.85, Hero calls $4.85

Flop: ($135.05) 4 T 7 (3 players - 1 is all in)
stokie bets $14.65 all in, Hero calls $14.65

Turn: ($164.35) 2 (3 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($164.35) J (3 players - 2 are all in)

God can't ever hit a damn draw =(


Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 4 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (BTN): $82.20
SB: $52.70
BB: $121.00
CO: $83.55

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with 8 Q T K
CO calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.25, 1 fold, BB raises to $7.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $5.25

Flop: ($15.75) A J 9 (2 players)
BB bets $15.75, Hero calls $15.75

Turn: ($47.25) 5 (2 players)
BB bets $47.25, Hero calls $47.25

River: ($141.75) 3 (2 players)
BB bets $50.50 all in, Hero folds

Final Pot: $141.75
BB wins $139.75
(Rake: $2.00)

Worst possible river card hits, and yet somehow the pot is shipped my way

good table selection imo


Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: $42.50
BTN: $170.10
Hero (SB): $53.90
BB: $98.50
UTG: $58.75
MP: $60.95

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with Q 7 A 9
2 folds, CO raises to $1.75, BTN calls $1.75, Hero raises to $7.50, BB calls $7, 1 fold, BTN calls $5.75

Flop: ($24.25) 4 9 Q (3 players)
Hero bets $24.25, BB calls $24.25, BTN calls $24.25

Turn: ($97.00) 6 (3 players)
Hero bets $22.15 all in, BB calls $22.15, BTN calls $22.15

River: ($163.45) T (3 players - 1 is all in)
BB checks, BTN checks

Final Pot: $163.45
BTN mucks 5 J T 2
Hero shows Q 7 A 9 (two pair, Queens and Nines)
BB mucks 5 3 A 5
Hero wins $160.45
(Rake: $3.00)

I dont know whether "no strat in bbv" applies in this thread, but wtf about the repop there with AQ97ds ?

Look at the significnatly dominated hands they are calling me with preflop..... I'm 3betting preflop for value.

Your poor position outweighs the tiny value vs. their range advantage, imo. Extract more money with a larger edge by putting most of the money in postflop when your edge is much bigger.

I'm not sure RRing with a hand like that just for value is worse in a 6-max game or a HU game.

wat

i think your rr is fine pre. However, given flop action K clubs is clearly the worst river. T hearts is gonna be a little sweat, but by no means the worst card.

Basically I think people are way too aggressive preflop overall, but especially out of position. You're getting money in with possibly a tiny edge in value (even accounting for initiative advantage (which isn't that important in a 3-way pot) and position disadvantage), but leaving effective stack sizes postflop smaller. Edges are larger postflop, so basically you're reducing your overall edge by leaving the effective stack sizes smallest when your edge is largest.

3betting this type of hand from the SB is not my standard play by any means, but against these players, I will be dominating their hand ranges a lot on many flops, including many of their hands they will stack off vs me given that it is a 3bet pot.

I mean, I'm confused, but are you saying I shouldn't 3bet anything preflop from the SB? This specific hand?

This is all theory, obviously. I've been applying it with success, but with a small sample size. I don't know how "correct" I am.

I would hope this isn't a standard play, but I really don't think it's a good play here either. There are three immediate benefits I can see from reraising here:

1. Increase the pot size when you have an equity advantage against their range
2. Narrow their range (if you know they always 4-bet AAxx and they just call your re-raise, you know they don't have AAxx)
3. Take initiative in the hand. Increasing the pot size with an equity advantage is where there's one of the biggest differences between PLO and NLHE. Preflop in PLO, edges generally are MUCH smaller than in NLHE, so the equity advantage you gain here is very small (and possibly -EV against better opponents, or at least tighter ones). Narrowing their range is great, although this effect is definitely amplified the more you know how your opponent plays. Taking initiative in the hand isn't very important at all here though, because we're OOP in a 3-way pot against two fish.

In both PLO and NLHE (less so in PLO, which goes back to why I believe in a more passive style preflop), there are two major reasons for re-raising preflop. Those two reasons are for value and for fold equity (both preflop and postflop) (it's interesting how they are kind of contradicting elements, isn't it?). Notice how those two reasons are small and non-existent here. This is huge.

Now weigh this against these disadvantages:
1. You're out of position. This hurts almost every reason you have to 3-bet. When someone has position, they have a lot more room to maneuver, and thus may play trickier. This means that you won't be able to narrow their range as much. Now, we're playing against fish here so this is not necessarily the case, but it's something to keep in mind. Being OOP also makes initiative in a 3-way pot against fish practically worthless. Being OOP ALSO means you're less likely to extract value postflop from your strong hands.
2. Makes the hand harder to play. Although we might have a hand stronger than the ones in their ranges, we still don't have a very strong hand, and we're likely to get into some marginal situations where we'll be faced with tough decisions with hands like top pair and mid two pair.
3. Increases variance. Bigger average pot sizes = more variance. More variance = more swings. More swings = more stress. More stress = more tilt. More tilt = less money in your pocket.

I'm NOT saying that you shouldn't ever 3-bet from the SB, because there can definitely be enough elements in your favor that would make it a good play. However, I do believe it is MUCH better to 3-bet too few hands than it is to 3-bet too many hands.