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Old 07-07-2018, 07:26 AM   #40951
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Was more the fact you described your preflop play as a blocking raise lol. All you are doing is bloating the pot when no-one will fold bc you didn't even pot it with a ****ty hand that will flop badly multi-way. You'll be the one putting money in with a bad set over set or with a bad wrap vs a higher wrap on some boards (which because of pot size you feel obliged to) If you don't want to fold it's 10x better to limp, or a bit better to pot raise if you feel you have some fold equity.
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Old 07-07-2018, 01:57 PM   #40952
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I am a new 2+2 user, but why cant i post attachments to the thread?
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Old 07-10-2018, 11:36 AM   #40953
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I am a new 2+2 user, but why cant i post attachments to the thread?
i'm guessing it's due to your low post count. you also cannot send PMs.
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Old 07-10-2018, 07:02 PM   #40954
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Was more the fact you described your preflop play as a blocking raise lol. All you are doing is bloating the pot when no-one will fold bc you didn't even pot it with a ****ty hand that will flop badly multi-way. You'll be the one putting money in with a bad set over set or with a bad wrap vs a higher wrap on some boards (which because of pot size you feel obliged to) If you don't want to fold it's 10x better to limp, or a bit better to pot raise if you feel you have some fold equity.
Makes sense. In many game conditions I'd no-brainer agree with this. This game, at least at this point, plays as follows:
  • Many people will call raises for substantial % of their stack with almost any four cards that "look pretty" and some that look quite ugly. I wouldn't be surprised to see to see J886 or QJ92 at showdown in a raised pot.
  • No one is ever reraising without AA
  • The game's apparently been running overnight so some of the bad players are deeper than the $300 max buyin.
  • I expected the button to attack a bunch of limps fairly frequently with a PSR. (I'm not sure my read was accurate but anyway, it was my read at the time.)

At that point my reasoning was that I had a hand I could play for $10 at a 40x stack but not so much for $19 at a 21x stack. If I get 3! then I'm behind AA and probably can fold depending on the reraiser's stack. Also, while a set of sixes is a major RIO hand, I expect position to mitigate the danger against everyone except the button.

Also, if you haven't noticed, some of the players are terrible postflop.

It may still be terrible reasoning so I will think more about your post and the other one advocating a limp. But the above conditions are the only reason my reasoning was even slightly coherent.
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Old 07-12-2018, 06:39 AM   #40955
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How can you be so certain of point 2? I'm pretty sure DS rundowns are 3b by most people in most games for a start. I'm a pretty tight 3b these days after being super loose and AA makes up a lot of my 3b range as it should but I'd be widening it against a raise size that screams you don't have AA. (so basically lots of DS Axxx hands with some connectivity I 3b when often I would just flat vs a pot open)

As for players calling w terrible hands... i mean, so is yours. You make money vs fish by playing tighter ranges for the most part, not by going down to their level. You even said on the flop you'd be happy to see a raise - I don't understand why? You are 43.6% vs T4 and 4% worse vs a set. You are GII money in bad after a questionable raise pre and are happy?

The board OTT is one of the only boards you are actually happy putting money in - and even then villain still wins 23% of the time. SPR on flop is what, 5? That's not near deep enough to get value from your hand the time it binks the perfect flop/turn. Too often you'll have to give up, or put in money with a bad draw.

btw, villains play was also not that terrible. A FD did come OTT and you did raise pre, so he prob doesn't expect 36 that often. You could have A3, but how happy are you facing a jam with A3 here? Like you prob sigh/call, but you could be drawing dead. And it's not like you were super deep.
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Old 07-12-2018, 12:02 PM   #40956
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Thanks. Good points. I completely disagree about people 3! rundowns in this particular game (as in, they are extremely passive preflop and I literally can't remember ever seeing a 3-bet hand without AA in several dozen hours) and about his turn XR but mostly agree about my hand being terrible and about my position on the flop being less good than I thought.

"As for players calling w terrible hands... i mean, so is yours. You make money vs fish by playing tighter ranges for the most part, not by going down to their level."

There is a difference which is that I'm only playing **** like this IP and when the hand has at least a little focus. They might turn up with QJ66 UTG. However I agree that 6653 is too bad even for this spot and I just got lucky to get a top 2% of flops.
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