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06-29-2018 , 06:56 PM
smack do you have database for lets say last 2-3 years? I know you had a terrible stretch before. would be interesting to see 2-3year graph
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06-29-2018 , 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by donkerr
smack do you have database for lets say last 2-3 years? I know you had a terrible stretch before. would be interesting to see 2-3year graph
2015 on stars:

~2016-present on stars:

+ really terrible run on asian sites, but i didnt have hud
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06-30-2018 , 02:36 AM
So there are marginal calls, and then there's this:

PokerStars, Omaha Pot Limit - $0.50/$1.00 - 5 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $247.75 (248 bb)
CO (Hero): $100.00 (100 bb)
BU: $155.96 (156 bb)
SB: $200.85 (201 bb)
BB: $1,277.25 (1277 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($1.50) Hero is CO with Q K K 6
1 fold, Hero raises to $3.50, BTN calls $3.50, SB calls $3, BB 3-bets to $6, Hero 4-bets to $25, 2 players fold, BB calls $19

Flop: ($57) A 2 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $27, BB calls $27

Turn: ($111) 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $48 (all-in), BB calls $48

River: ($207) 3 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $207 (Rake: $2.50)

Showdown:
CO (Hero) shows Q K K 6 (a flush, King high)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 66%, Flop: 91%, Turn: 100%, River: 100%)

BB shows J 6 9 K (high card, Ace)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 34%, Flop: 9%, Turn: 0%, River: 0%)

CO (Hero) wins $204.50
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06-30-2018 , 09:49 AM
just your casual 1000bb pot. such a sick cooler to run nines and queens into aces in this normal 6bet spot.

PokerStars, Omaha Pot Limit - $0.50/$1.00 - 5 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $100.00 (100 bb)
CO (Hero): $527.86 (528 bb)
BU: $373.61 (374 bb)
SB: $467.65 (468 bb)
BB: $71.84 (72 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($1.50) Hero is CO with 6 7 A A
1 fold, Hero raises to $3, 1 fold, SB 3-bets to $10, BB calls $9, Hero 4-bets to $40, SB calls $30, BB 5-bets to $71.84 (all-in), Hero 6-bets to $255.52, SB calls $215.52

Flop: ($582.88) 8 J 5 (3 players, 1 all-in)
SB bets $212.13 (all-in), Hero calls $212.13

Turn: ($1,007.14) 8 (3 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($1,007.14) J (3 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $1,007.14 (Rake: $2.50)

Showdown:
SB shows 9 6 T 9 (two pair, Jacks and Nines)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 26%, Flop: 23%, Turn: 14%, River: 0%)

BB shows 2 Q Q K (two pair, Queens and Jacks)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 25%, Flop: 11%, Turn: 6%, River: 0%)

CO (Hero) shows 6 7 A A (two pair, Aces and Jacks)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 49%, Flop: 67%, Turn: 81%, River: 100%)

CO (Hero) wins $1,004.64

it's confirmed boys, poker is dead. there is no money to be made
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06-30-2018 , 01:02 PM
I mean, you can't fold 4 cards pre in PLO and on the flop he is making a +EV shove
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06-30-2018 , 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by smack91


*** me harder plz
jesus smack. what stakes/sites is this on? 110 buyins under in 15k hands doesn't even seem real...
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06-30-2018 , 05:11 PM
So I had a pretty crazy hand happen yesterday. Unfortunately no way to post the hand history from the site I played it on.

Flop comes 2 4 6 and the money goes in 3 ways and both me and the other 2 players have sets. What's more is all 3 of us happened to have double pair hands pre-flop. I had 44 and rivered quads to suckout as well. edit: And just now checked again and noticed that the set of 2's hit a set of jacks on the turn.

Last edited by F_Ivanovic; 06-30-2018 at 05:16 PM.
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07-01-2018 , 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by smack91
2015 on stars:

~2016-present on stars:

+ really terrible run on asian sites, but i didnt have hud
damn
could a reason for 2015 run be a bots back then?
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07-01-2018 , 09:42 AM
since rake is gone, a lot of mediocre breakeven regs left and games got softer meaning the good regs could win more.

Although it's also possible smack just got a lot better and improved over the course of 2-3 years which seems quite reasonable
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07-01-2018 , 09:52 AM
well they claimed they didn't share hole cards (yeah right)

if they did however, it is one reason that could happen. more information means they know the odds more precise, meaning the ev difference isnt really a ev difference, just a reflection of lower winrate due to lack of knowledge.
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07-03-2018 , 06:16 AM
Yo me llamo MichelAngelo

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07-04-2018 , 07:30 AM
Can I lose enormous amounts? Yes. Can I stay cool and come back like a true champion? Yes. That is the trademark of a real king. Everyone can win big, it is when you loses where your true character is exposed. Are you a tilting monkey and blow off your whole bankroll or do you trust in your abilities and just continue to play your game and get back on track?I want to show the noobs that it is not all sunshine and rainbows. Poker is really one of the most challenging games ever. You need intelligence, emotional stability, endurance, sharpness, creativity, MONEY. I dominate every aspect of the game

Regarding the session it was really really unfortunate. With my style running in too many AAK vs KKA spots is absolutely devasting. You gotta accept it and roll with it, nothing you can do there. This style lets me win enormous amounts, if I get a day like this you just have to shrug it off. Even in the worst possible setup and set of cards, the king still managed to win and collect rakeback.

How the f*k are you ever going to beat me?

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07-04-2018 , 11:56 PM
well, perhaps if you keep putting in longer sessions when you are playing poorly and running poorly but hit and running as soon as you win 100 bbs even though you have been getting the money in good, they won't have to beat you, you will beat yourself.
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07-05-2018 , 12:00 AM
Don't forget the moving up in stakes to chase your loses. That's a great sign of a winner there.
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07-05-2018 , 06:40 AM
Hard to lose when you run $2k above EV

We need the lifetime graph to see how much under EV you are lifetime! We don't want the haters to think you just run good all the time
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07-05-2018 , 07:53 AM
You could raise, but you really shouldnt

UTG: $232.10 (116 bb)
MP: $533.28 (267 bb)
CO: $132.36 (66 bb)
BU (Hero): $239.20 (120 bb)
SB: $331.30 (166 bb)
BB: $114.00 (57 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($3) Hero is BTN with 9 8 K 8
1 fold, MP raises to $7, CO calls $7, Hero calls $7, SB 3-bets to $37, 1 fold, MP calls $30, 1 fold, Hero calls $30

Flop: ($120) 8 3 6 (3 players)
SB checks, MP bets $58.50, Hero calls $58.50, SB calls $58.50

Turn: ($295.50) 6 (3 players)
SB bets $235.80 (all-in), MP raises to $437.78 (all-in), Hero calls $143.70 (all-in)

River: ($910.80) A (3 players, 3 all-in)

Total pot: $910.80 (Rake: $3)

Showdown:
MP shows Q 7 8 9 (two pair, Eights and Sixes)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 25%, Flop: 20%, Turn: <1%, River: 0%)

SB shows 5 7 5 2 (two pair, Sixes and Fives)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 24%, Flop: 16%, Turn: 3%, River: 0%)

BU (Hero) shows 9 8 K 8 (a full house, Eights full of Sixes)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 51%, Flop: 63%, Turn: 97%, River: 100%)

MP wins $184.20
BU (Hero) wins $723.60
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07-05-2018 , 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by zoja
Can I lose enormous amounts? Yes. Can I stay cool and come back like a true champion? Yes. That is the trademark of a real king. Everyone can win big, it is when you loses where your true character is exposed. Are you a tilting monkey and blow off your whole bankroll or do you trust in your abilities and just continue to play your game and get back on track?I want to show the noobs that it is not all sunshine and rainbows. Poker is really one of the most challenging games ever. You need intelligence, emotional stability, endurance, sharpness, creativity, MONEY. I dominate every aspect of the game

Regarding the session it was really really unfortunate. With my style running in too many AAK vs KKA spots is absolutely devasting. You gotta accept it and roll with it, nothing you can do there. This style lets me win enormous amounts, if I get a day like this you just have to shrug it off. Even in the worst possible setup and set of cards, the king still managed to win and collect rakeback.

How the f*k are you ever going to beat me?

I need to work on tilt mindset when losing what I thought would be a winner. In the last 18 days I have had one losing day. When I lose a bunch at one level, I usually go to the next higher level and earn it back. That will end up being a recipe for disaster. Just hate losing period. However, I feel if I can win 17 out of 18 days, and have more than doubled my original bankroll, then I am doing something right.
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07-06-2018 , 02:08 AM
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Originally Posted by pokersam12
I need to work on tilt mindset when losing what I thought would be a winner. In the last 18 days I have had one losing day. When I lose a bunch at one level, I usually go to the next higher level and earn it back. That will end up being a recipe for disaster. Just hate losing period. However, I feel if I can win 17 out of 18 days, and have more than doubled my original bankroll, then I am doing something right.
I wouldnt advice that. I did that in the past. I have 40x my bankroll from where I started 1 month ago. I first build a solid roll at plo50/100. Nowdays I start the games lower than I usually play, I start at PLO200 cause early in the day there is no action at PLO500/1k. Throughout the day I move up to 500/1k, which I can afford easily now.
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07-06-2018 , 03:46 PM
anyone know how big rake difference it is between microgaming and partypoker at plo10 and plo20/plo25? Only two tables of plo10 running at microgaming now, more on party. but is it worth changing?
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07-06-2018 , 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by tobjoern
anyone know how big rake difference it is between microgaming and partypoker at plo10 and plo20/plo25? Only two tables of plo10 running at microgaming now, more on party. but is it worth changing?
$0.01/$0.02 to $0.05/$0.10 5% 1$ CAP Party

€0.05 / €0.10 5% €0.30 CAP Microgaming


Big difference,maybe roughly 4bb/100.You can find 4+ table very often during

the day cet time.
Edit: For plo 25 and 50 same story Microgaming is better cause of CAP.At plo100 they have same %rake and same CAP.
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07-06-2018 , 05:53 PM
$1-3, I'm $400 or so deep. Several limps to me, I make it $10 with 6653 in the CO. Blocking raise because I know my hand is pretty dodgy but can flop well, no one ever 3! in this game without AA and the button is slightly active. Yes, I'd much rather have 6533.

Ends up 6 ways, $61. T42 rainbow. All check to me, I bet $45 and would love to get check-raised. One caller.

Turn 5 (backdoor diamonds). Check, I bet like $100, CRAI. We run twice. He has naked 44-jack-something random, no diamonds. Stacking off with bottom set. Checks out, standard in this game.

Spoiler:
First river: Ten
Second river: Ten


Just dumb variance of course but this is a PSA to say the games are gooooooooooood. Off to go shopping with my new Sklansky bucks!
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07-06-2018 , 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by AKQJ10
, I make it $10 with 6653 in the CO. Blocking raise
games are good!
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07-06-2018 , 10:51 PM
Ha. It's a pretty **** hand. In a game where people are obviously willing to stack off pretty light I figured it had value in position.

What's your minimum here? 6654 (let's say with one suit)? 6544? 8875?

At least hopefully my preflop leaks aren't as bad as slowplaying middle set until the straight comes in then getting all the stacks in.
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07-07-2018 , 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by AKQJ10
What's your minimum here? 6654 (let's say with one suit)? 6544? 8875?
That's a really easy fold pre in a game that's going many ways. I'm not sure what's going on but that's a hand you play when its ds and your on the button and it folds you to you, otherwise it's a fold unless you are BB and it folds to button and SB folds, then you can defend.
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07-07-2018 , 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by AKQJ10
Ha. It's a pretty **** hand. In a game where people are obviously willing to stack off pretty light I figured it had value in position.

What's your minimum here? 6654 (let's say with one suit)? 6544? 8875?

At least hopefully my preflop leaks aren't as bad as slowplaying middle set until the straight comes in then getting all the stacks in.
just open the prelfop hands according to the plo matrix
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