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I havent played for some years. Played both PLO and NL back then..

If i wanna start playing for an extra income playing like 30-40 hours a month and want some "easy" money at around plo/nl50. is it much less swings for NL when playing that low volume?

What would u choose?

People are much worse than PLO, so likely higher EV at PLO50. That said, will be swingier than NLHE. People are just more solid at NLHE than PLO, especially in terms of playing a tighter range pre.

Frankly, I wouldn't expect an "easy" time beating either game unless you're a pretty good player. Beating NL 50 would make you a good hold em player in my opinion. Beating PLO 50 is easier but would take much longer to figure out if you're a winner or just running good.

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01-19-2018 , 11:59 AM

#40728

Timmee

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PLO50

Winamax - €0.50 PL Hi (5 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 110.96 BB (VPIP: 50.78, PFR: 15.78, 3Bet Preflop: 5.84, Hands: 1,893)
Hero (UTG): 259.98 BB
CO: 88.28 BB (VPIP: 52.90, PFR: 15.81, 3Bet Preflop: 5.66, Hands: 1,610)
BTN: 109.48 BB (VPIP: 48.82, PFR: 20.23, 3Bet Preflop: 8.39, Hands: 1,856)
SB: 212.28 BB (VPIP: 47.69, PFR: 14.14, 3Bet Preflop: 6.11, Hands: 1,728)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A

Hero raises to 3.5 BB, CO calls 3.5 BB, fold, fold, BB raises to 14.5 BB, Hero raises to 35 BB, CO calls 31.5 BB, BB raises to 110.96 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 75.96 BB, CO calls 53.28 BB and is all-in

Flop: (310.7 BB, 3 players) 7

Turn: (310.7 BB, 3 players) K

River: (310.7 BB, 3 players) 2

Hero shows A

(Two Pair, Aces and Threes)

Main Pot [265.34 BB]: (Pre 69%, Flop 92%, Turn 78%)
Side Pot#1 [45.36 BB]: (Pre 85%, Flop 94%, Turn 78%)

Spoiler:

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01-20-2018 , 10:48 PM

#40729

ItsmeMario

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Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 889

Dont know if anyone still active from my time, but im back and if anyone is offering a stake, i would really like to know, so i can apply.

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01-21-2018 , 09:02 PM

#40730

girlieburger

journeyman

Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 394

8Game on Stars is kinda tough (???)

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01-27-2018 , 07:13 AM

#40731

ThisKid$Tough

old hand

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,826

Is this real life?

WPN, $0.10/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 4 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $34.83 (139.3 bb)
BB: $16.94 (67.8 bb)
CO: $26.22 (104.9 bb)
Hero (BTN): $37.18 (148.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with T

CO folds, Hero raises to $0.85, SB calls $0.75, BB folds

Flop: ($1.95) J

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.46, SB raises to $3.24, Hero calls $2.78

Turn: ($8.43) T

(2 players)
SB bets $8.01, Hero calls $8.01

River: ($24.45) 7

(2 players)
SB bets $22.73 and is all-in, Hero calls $22.73

Spoiler:

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01-27-2018 , 03:55 PM

#40732

BAEVentures

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ThisKid$Tough

Is this real life?

CO folds, Hero raises to $0.85, SB calls $0.75, BB folds

Flop: ($1.95) J

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.46, SB raises to $3.24, Hero calls $2.78

Turn: ($8.43) T

(2 players)
SB bets $8.01, Hero calls $8.01

River: ($24.45) 7

(2 players)
SB bets $22.73 and is all-in, Hero calls $22.73

Spoiler:

That's pretty spectacular. Fold river, he's obv. nutted.

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01-30-2018 , 07:24 AM

#40733

Allin_NILLA

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Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 501

Quote:

Originally Posted by MIB211

People are much worse than PLO, so likely higher EV at PLO50. That said, will be swingier than NLHE. People are just more solid at NLHE than PLO, especially in terms of playing a tighter range pre.

Let's run a scenario on this one!

You are kidnapped by ISIS and they issue a challenge where your only chance of release is if you can show a profit after 10,000 cash game hands at $0.25/0.50. You are only allowed to play one format.

Would you pick NLH or PLO?

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01-30-2018 , 08:47 AM

#40734

MIB211

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Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 3,010

Quote:

Originally Posted by Allin_NILLA

This actually happened to a friend of mine.

I'd pick PLO. I'm pretty sure i have a negative expectation in 10000 hands of NLHE at that level. I'd have to run good to win in NLHE and bad to lose in PLO. If I had had a reasonable expectation of beating both games for similar rates I'd probably play NLHE.

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01-30-2018 , 05:07 PM

#40735

Purasevic

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Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 768

Quote:

Originally Posted by Allin_NILLA

Very interesting cause 10k is not much.This can be calculated with variance calculator if you know your both win rates.Not many people is good in both games if you don`t count Sauce and Trueteller

I would personally choose plo

Just checked: Probability of loss with 10bb/100 in plo is higher than probability of loss in NL with 8bb/100!

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01-30-2018 , 10:07 PM

#40736

Gillingham

adept

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 932

Quote:

Originally Posted by MIB211

This actually happened to a friend of mine.

haha

i'd pick omaha as I could run well over 10000 hands

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01-31-2018 , 04:12 PM

#40737

Adebisi

veteran

Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,965

Nice to GII pre with the old 9% AA.

ProPokerTools Odds Oracle Results (2.3 Professional)
Omaha Hi, Generic syntax
PLAYER_1 Js2sAhAd
PLAYER_2 As4sAc2c
PLAYER_3 Th7hKdJd
PLAYER_4 QsTs9d8d
376992 trials (exhaustive)

All-in Equity

	Equity %	Wins Hi %	Ties Hi %	Wins Hi Count	Ties Hi Count
Js2sAhAd	9.0792%	2.0706%	14.0173%	7806	52844
As4sAc2c	31.4718%	24.4631%	14.0173%	92224	52844
Th7hKdJd	33.6164%	33.5331%	0.1666%	126417	628
QsTs9d8d	25.8326%	25.7494%	0.1666%	97073	628

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01-31-2018 , 10:10 PM

#40738

Finnish Fish

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02-01-2018 , 10:53 AM

#40739

Grethe

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,310

Björn is just the biggest whiner and chatwarrior around... Even writing bs to the funplayers

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02-01-2018 , 11:06 AM

#40740

z0mgtiltz

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Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 10,944

Teddy wong: Hold my beer

Last edited by z0mgtiltz; 02-01-2018 at 11:07 AM. Reason: But you're right, bjorn is a huge crybaby

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02-04-2018 , 12:12 AM

#40741

BAEVentures

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Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,961

PLO25 on Ignition. Fun hand! Nice to win for once (especially at the tail end of a 4 hour losing session).

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker HUD & Database

NL Holdem $0.25(BB)
SB ($54.48)
HERO ($55.85)
CO ($24.65)
BTN ($26.58)

Dealt to Hero 4

CO Raises To $0.85 (Rem. Stack: 23.80), BTN Calls $0.85 (Rem. Stack: 25.73), SB Calls $0.75 (Rem. Stack: 53.63), HERO Calls $0.6 (Rem. Stack: 55.00)

Flop ($3.40) 6

SB Checks, HERO Checks, CO Bets $3.4 (Rem. Stack: 20.40), BTN Raises To $13.6 (Rem. Stack: 12.13), SB Calls $13.6 (Rem. Stack: 40.03), HERO Raises To $55 (allin) (Rem. Stack: 0.00), CO Calls $20.4 (allin) (Rem. Stack: 0.00), BTN Calls $12.13 (allin) (Rem. Stack: 0.00), SB Calls $40.03 (allin) (Rem. Stack: 0.00)

Turn ($161.56) 6

River ($161.56) 6

SB shows 3

CO shows K

BTN shows 6

HERO wins $160.56

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02-04-2018 , 08:20 AM

#40742

Purasevic

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Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 768

Quote:

Originally Posted by BAEVentures

CO Raises To $0.85 (Rem. Stack: 23.80), BTN Calls $0.85 (Rem. Stack: 25.73), SB Calls $0.75 (Rem. Stack: 53.63), HERO Calls $0.6 (Rem. Stack: 55.00)

Flop ($3.40) 6

River ($161.56) 6

SB shows 3

CO shows K

BTN shows 6

HERO wins $160.56

So 1 player stack off with open ender no flushdraw,other with flushdraw no pair.Games are good..

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02-05-2018 , 01:22 AM

#40743

BAEVentures

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Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,961

Games are still good...

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker HUD & Database

NL Holdem $0.25(BB)
BB ($24.33)
UTG ($25)
HJ ($32.37)
HERO ($57.01)
BTN ($41.15)
SB ($50.68)

Dealt to Hero A

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, HERO Raises To $0.85 (Rem. Stack: 56.16), BTN Folds, SB Calls $0.75 (Rem. Stack: 49.83), BB Calls $0.6 (Rem. Stack: 23.48)

Flop ($2.55) T

SB Checks, BB Bets $2.41 (Rem. Stack: 21.07), HERO Calls $2.41 (Rem. Stack: 53.75), SB Calls $2.41 (Rem. Stack: 47.42)

Turn ($9.78) T

SB Bets $6.93 (Rem. Stack: 40.49), BB Calls $6.93 (Rem. Stack: 14.14), HERO Raises To $36.96 (Rem. Stack: 16.79), SB Folds, BB Calls $14.14 (allin) (Rem. Stack: 0.00)

River ($74.74) T

BB shows 5

BB wins $56.85
HERO wins $15.89

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02-05-2018 , 04:15 PM

#40744

Grethe

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,310

Pair + nutblocker + flushdraw + reverseblockers + blockers to the mexican straight... Hard to fold!

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02-11-2018 , 11:05 PM

#40745

MIB211

veteran

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 3,010

I've passed the $100k mark in PLO. Been playing online for about a year and now have won $100,100 over 163k hands. Mainly 1/2 but some .50/1 and some 2/4+.

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02-12-2018 , 02:17 AM

#40746

apo5tol

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Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 2,238

so just a casual 30bb/100? sick brag

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02-12-2018 , 08:59 AM

#40747

MIB211

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Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 3,010

Quote:

Originally Posted by apo5tol

so just a casual 30bb/100? sick brag

It has been funny how casual and easy it is. I had basically no PLO or online experience before playing. I don't really study the game though have obviously gotten significantly better over time. My win rate, which I initially assumed was unsustainable, has gone up over time. The lesson is my games are super soft. I play a 45% VPIP in 6 max and am often the tightest guy at the table n

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02-12-2018 , 09:33 AM

#40748

Purasevic

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Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 768

Quote:

Originally Posted by MIB211

It has been funny how casual and easy it is. I had basically no PLO or online experience before playing. I don't really study the game though have obviously gotten significantly better over time. My win rate, which I initially assumed was unsustainable, has gone up over time. The lesson is my games are super soft. I play a 45% VPIP in 6 max and am often the tightest guy at the table n

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