Considering the ev line is a ridiculous way to judge luck or a real wr in PLO, it's more like, good riddance ev line. Better if you forget it even exists especially if you think that way even in an ironic way.

ev line doesnt buy you designer sneakers guys.
believe me, I am a luckbox and now that. also, blame yourself for not emailing stars to turn off the riggedness and activate the good run, how one can forget to do that is beyond me smh...

Well thats just wrong!

AIEV line wont buy you anything. It doesnt account for much of the variance and I would think most people overestimate how much of the variance it actually "cleans out". Its useless and provides little info when looking at small samples.

The all in scenarios are only a small fraction of all hands. AIEV line doesnt account for setups. It doesnt account for bad runouts in medium to big pots where you bet a made hand strong on the flop and turn and villain gets there on the river and bets into you. Or the reverse scenarios where you get there, and win a big pot by betting the river. It doesnt account for flopping bad in 4bet pots. And so on and so on and so on.

All that said its a better tool than your observed winnings, to gauge your winrate over mid sized samples of say 100k-300k hands. If your evline is 10bb/100 after 150k hands, but you ran 150 BI below AIEV and broke even, then its very unlikely, although not impossible, that you are a losing player. But if you just look at your results, you would have no idea if you were winning or losing.

Over bigger samples of say 400k-1M hands it obv gets even better. If your evbb is 8 after 800k hands, then its rather unlikely that you werent at least a 5bb/100 winner over that sample.

Haha this happens soooo often and I have similar rage thoughts

+1

When someone does that to me they get an instant slowroll-note for future reference......

This happens often when you play with fish lol pisses me off to no end.

For a.more accurate analysis of how you're running, ditch HEM and play "feel" poker way above your roll on your phone while drinking heavily IMO.

When you wake up if your balance is >0 you are running hot.

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The point of a stop loss is to avoid "feeling" like you're fine, when you truly aren't. Sometimes when you're playing well, things still seem to be going poorly, the stop loss makes sure you don't wake up the next day down 20 buyins wondering how the heck it all went wrong and how long before you're going to get it back.

Most players don't follow 20 buyin downswings with a 20 buyin upswing. I say most, because there are people on here who have done that, but its certainly not the norm.

You may lose out on an opportunity to win it back, but my experience in playing through it, is that more often than not end up on the losing side, then you do on the winning side.

You choose your own path, but there is a lot of merit to the stop loss, especially if you're trying to make money playing poker. If you're purely rec, then who cares if you're down 20 buyins. You're playing for fun, not money...

""feeling" like you're fine, when you truly aren't" is a lack of objective view on the matter

and

"wake up the next day down 20 buyins wondering how the heck it all went wrong and how long before you're going to get it back." is a lack of understanding variance.

When u take a deep look at these two sentences u wrote, i personally see that an imaginary player with this mindset is truly weak-minded. For a player with this mental leaks , stop-loss is the best.

If a player went beyond and understood himself and he can truly notice whether he is fine or not and does understand variance alot better, i can never see why he would choose stop-loss over stop-tilt since stop-loss doesnt mean anything objective to him so the concept becomes very useless for him. My opinion.

Where have you been sauhund? Haven't seen you playing 2/5 at all. Did you blow up your bankroll?

in b4 posting crushing cashgame graphs + MTT scores

+1 this is great advice. I still wonder what the heck went wrong even with a stoploss.

lost all flipping against urubu

Logged in just to say this guy should post more.

pro tip : when u r running hot put in lots of volume before pokerstars triggers the doomswitch




this hand was my favourite

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $31.40
Hero (SB): $79.20
BB: $144.50
UTG: $106.83
MP: $96.76
CO: $27.56

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with J A T Q
UTG raises to $1, MP calls $1, 1 fold, BTN calls $1, Hero raises to $5.50, BB calls $5, UTG calls $4.50, MP calls $4.50, BTN calls $4.50

Flop: ($27.50) A A T (5 players)
Hero bets $26.12, BB calls $26.12, UTG calls $26.12, MP folds, BTN folds

Turn: ($105.86) 7 (3 players)
Hero bets $47.58 all in, BB calls $47.58, UTG calls $47.58

River: ($248.60) 6 (3 players - 1 is all in)
BB checks, UTG bets $27.63 all in, BB calls $27.63

Final Pot: $303.86
Hero shows J A T Q (a full house, Aces full of Tens)
BB shows A K 5 K (three of a kind, Aces)
UTG shows T 7 T K (a full house, Tens full of Aces)
UTG wins $55.26
Hero wins $246.60
(Rake: $2.00)



Pretty good week though at 50 plo. And this doesn't even count rake-back.

So, got a HUD for the first time since I've started playing poker (roughly 9 years) the other day. Decided I need to start putting in way more volume than I have been recently and that means playing on PS since the traffic on my main site is just too low.

Currently +ev from both the SB and BB to the tune of 0.14 and 0.76bb/hand. Be a fun challenge to try and maintain that for 10k hands (currently on 2420)

Let me start by saying I am not arguing with you. Your points are valid, I simply am choosing to provide a deeper insight into the matter.

Most people on here understand the concept of variance, it is unavoidable. You can't outrun it, you can't outplay it, there will simply be a time, when if you keep doing things correctly, the long run will be realized and you will start to see positive results.

The problem, is that the long run can't be predicted. One players long run could take 100 times longer to realize than another. Utilizing a stop loss creates gaps in a players session, thereby allowing them to mentally regroup and avoid blowing their entire bankroll in a single session. You might play your best poker and still lose every single pot. If you want to do that in a single session, go ahead. Most players want to play poker and if you string out that long run, somehow losing 20 buyins over 2 weeks doesn't feel as bad as 20 buyins in one day.

You are absolutely right that not being able to play your best poker when you are down 20 buyins is absolute mental leak. The problem, is that most players have this leak. Recognizing a weakness and doing something to combat it is a strength. If you realize that losing puts you at a disadvantage, then a stop loss is a remedy.

Few people will ever get to the stage where wins and losses don't affect them. I know in my own personal development, I spent a lot of time reading poker books and working on my mental game. I was prone to anger and tilt and Omaha is a killer when it comes to the mental side. Even after all my hard work, I'm still not able to just shrug off losses when they start to pile up, nor am I able to pass off a win as something that should have happened. Both affect my emotional state, because I am human. I don't want to lose the ability to have something affect me, because it is the highs and lows of the game that make me truly enjoy it. There is so much to feel when a hand hits or misses, a stack doubles, or one evaporates, that I don't want to just move on to the next.

I don't often play with hard stop losses anymore, but in the back of my mind, I always have levels of losses and even wins, where I re-evaluate am I playing good poker? If the answer comes back no, I leave. If I soldier on and a couple more buyins escape, I decide to leave. I am confident that the next day will bring a fresh start. Perhaps not in the variance aspect of poker, but in a new day, a new session, a new attitude and a new potential for victory. The realization that every session allows for new beginnings, is what keeps me sharp. The decision to use stop losses to create those new beginnings is not a weakness, its a strength.

Playing online poker without a hud is like fishing without equipment, mastery over a software suite like HEM2 is mandatory if you want to be able to beat 100+

what times are the happy hours on stars this week?!

04:00-05:00
12:00-13:00
20:00-21:00
ET time

so whats the deal w/ happy hour double VPP?

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Yeah but also...
There's over 600 people in PLO10z pool and all stakes look good in general lol

My main site has always been one that doesn't allow HUD's, and it's so soft that I've never felt the need to venture elsewhere

I'm confident in my game that I could probably beat 100PLO w/o a HUD which I still think is over-rated! But I'm a bankroll nit these days, so I can't venture higher than PLO50. I play 100 on my main site (£) but only because it's so soft :P