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05-07-2015 , 06:28 AM
PokerStars Zoom Pot-Limit Omaha, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Hero (Button) ($24.06)
SB ($17.79)
BB ($22.78)
UTG ($1.15)
MP ($28.53)
CO ($10.09)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7, Q, Q, 3
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.25, SB calls $0.20, BB raises to $1, Hero calls $0.75, SB raises to $4, BB calls $3, Hero calls $3

Flop: ($12) Q, 2, 6 (3 players)
SB bets $11.49, BB raises to $18.78 (All-In), Hero raises to $20.06 (All-In), SB calls $2.30 (All-In)

Running it twice

First Turn: ($31.68) 7
First River: ($31.68) 9

Second Turn: ($31.68) J
Second River: ($31.68) 9

Board 1: Q, 2, 6, 7, 9
Board 2: Q, 2, 6, J, 9

Total pot: $63.35 | Rake: $1.50

Results below:
Hero had 7, Q, Q, 3
Hero had three of a kind, Queens on the first board
Hero had flush, Queen high on the second board
SB had 8, 6, A, A
SB had one pair, Aces on the first board
SB had one pair, Aces on the second board
BB had 8, 10, J, 6
BB had straight, ten high on the first board and collected $31.68
BB had straight flush, Queen high on the second board and collected $31.68
Outcome: BB won $61.85
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05-07-2015 , 06:47 AM
The legendary backdoor quad draw giving him the additional 0,02% to go with it
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05-07-2015 , 07:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mt.FishNoob
if you know you should fold tho

Not if he's only 60% certain that he knows
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05-07-2015 , 07:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grethe
The legendary backdoor quad draw giving him the additional 0,02% to go with it
Not to strat in bbv ldo but I really don't know if I'm supposed to fold at any point preflop and I don't know if he's supposed to just gii on that flop either. Mostly just upset over losing 600bb pot to runner runner twice when I hit dry top set lol
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05-07-2015 , 09:48 AM
How do I not lose my whole stack here? Wonder if it's a mistake vs unknown to just call here.



    Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #36277721

    BTN: $169.78 (169.8 bb)
    SB: $95.72 (95.7 bb)
    BB: $110.84 (110.8 bb)
    UTG: $102.82 (102.8 bb)
    Hero (MP): $312.34 (312.3 bb)
    CO: $102.28 (102.3 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with 5 A A K
    UTG calls $1, Hero raises to $4.50, CO calls $4.50, BTN folds, SB calls $4, BB folds, UTG calls $3.50

    Flop: ($19) 6 A Q (4 players)
    SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $12.61, 2 folds, UTG calls $12.61

    Turn: ($44.22) Q (2 players)
    UTG checks, Hero bets $13.17, UTG calls $13.17

    River: ($70.56) J (2 players)
    UTG bets $34, Hero calls $34

    Spoiler:
    Results: $138.56 pot ($2.80 rake)
    Final Board: 6 A Q Q J
    UTG showed J 6 Q Q and won $135.76 ($71.48 net)
    Hero mucked 5 A A K and lost (-$64.28 net)



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    05-07-2015 , 01:27 PM
    Haven't seen a single hand posted itt where someone calls there; villain shows random fuller/flush and you feel like an idiot.
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    05-07-2015 , 01:48 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by J0hny
    Haven't seen a single hand posted itt where someone calls there; villain shows random fuller/flush and you feel like an idiot.
    even if vilain shows up with 2222 that doesn't make it an argument to raise.

    On the river there is 2 combo beating us. And 2x AQ combo that we beat that could call us.

    If I ship the river with my very tiny turn bet and now my willingness to go all in is like screaming that I have AA+.

    Might be closer than you think vs an observant player, but this guy is unknown.
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    05-07-2015 , 02:14 PM
    I get it, i just don't give unknowns that much credit.
    Im sure if i can dig up all these spots where i shoved there i was right way way more often vs unknown.
    Why you even give more credit to unknown than observant, i dont get it.
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    05-07-2015 , 02:44 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by J0hny
    Why you even give more credit to unknown than observant, i dont get it.
    Never said that. Fact that he is unknown could make it a shove +ev. Nonetheless it's probably close.
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    05-07-2015 , 02:47 PM
    My initial comment was not rly about strat honestly.
    I just pointed out that people tend to post hands where they feel like genius, but never the opposite.
    That hand is rare anyway and shove vs call wouldn't change a thing in the big picture, not the kind of spot where you need to dig for leaks.
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    05-07-2015 , 07:17 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by omahaplo

    So what happend at hand 80000 ?
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    05-07-2015 , 09:38 PM
    I have a table of 2.5/5 plo zoom open to see what's up and literally almost every hand someone is all in with a full buy in. is that standard at that level ? I have yet to see a hand not go to a river showdown.
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    05-07-2015 , 09:39 PM
    Stars cherry-pick the biggest pots as showcase for the observation feature, which is very natural. The actual gameplay is of course not that loose.
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    05-08-2015 , 12:24 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mig
    How do I not lose my whole stack here? Wonder if it's a mistake vs unknown to just call here.



      Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #36277721

      BTN: $169.78 (169.8 bb)
      SB: $95.72 (95.7 bb)
      BB: $110.84 (110.8 bb)
      UTG: $102.82 (102.8 bb)
      Hero (MP): $312.34 (312.3 bb)
      CO: $102.28 (102.3 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP with 5 A A K
      UTG calls $1, Hero raises to $4.50, CO calls $4.50, BTN folds, SB calls $4, BB folds, UTG calls $3.50

      Flop: ($19) 6 A Q (4 players)
      SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $12.61, 2 folds, UTG calls $12.61

      Turn: ($44.22) Q (2 players)
      UTG checks, Hero bets $13.17, UTG calls $13.17

      River: ($70.56) J (2 players)
      UTG bets $34, Hero calls $34

      Spoiler:
      Results: $138.56 pot ($2.80 rake)
      Final Board: 6 A Q Q J
      UTG showed J 6 Q Q and won $135.76 ($71.48 net)
      Hero mucked 5 A A K and lost (-$64.28 net)



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      I woulden't raise either here, he either has quads,royalflush or a weak flush, if you ships he calls you with 2 off those combos
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      05-08-2015 , 08:03 AM
      What about AQ? QJ that is making a blocking bet?
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      05-08-2015 , 08:59 AM
      I know, no strat in BBV. I would think his call range is AQ,QQ,KhTh for sure. Not making in restrictions Hero has 48.7% eq vs that range.

      But then you have to think about his limp/call frequencies preflop with those hands, his flat frequencies on the flop and turn and his donk frequencies on the river. Just a gut feeling but I think his actions make AQ even less likely.

      But then again, he may bet/call wider than that, eg QJ and then a raise becomes much better.

      Enough strat from me, but I just call too and even if a raise is +EV its my belief that most players vastly overestimate the EV of a raise
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      05-08-2015 , 09:04 AM
      why would he lead the river with quads or royal flush
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      05-08-2015 , 09:06 AM
      @ Wolf

      While I agree with you, its worth remembering that his actions preflop indicate he is a recreational player. Thus not thinking about poker at the level you do. So while you will reason that river is a c/r with a royal flush or quads, it is far from given he will reach the same conclusion
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      05-08-2015 , 09:53 AM
      Sooo.. This actually happened.


        Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #36293891

        BTN: $21.70 (217 bb)
        Hero (SB): $24.91 (249.1 bb)
        BB: $23.41 (234.1 bb)
        UTG: $21.18 (211.8 bb)
        MP: $9.55 (95.5 bb)
        CO: $19.43 (194.3 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is SB with A Q A T
        UTG calls $0.10, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.40, BB raises to $1.30, UTG calls $1.20, Hero raises to $5.20, BB folds, UTG calls $3.90

        Flop: ($11.70) 2 Q 8 (2 players)
        Hero bets $11.20,


        UTG: set for me
        BB: hahaha
        BB: gogoo
        UTG: i fold it but



        UTG folds

        Results: $11.70 pot ($0.50 rake)
        Final Board: 2 Q 8
        Hero mucked A Q A T and won $11.20 ($6 net)
        UTG mucked and lost (-$5.20 net)



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        05-08-2015 , 10:08 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by Loctus
        Sooo.. This actually happened.


          Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #36293891

          BTN: $21.70 (217 bb)
          Hero (SB): $24.91 (249.1 bb)
          BB: $23.41 (234.1 bb)
          UTG: $21.18 (211.8 bb)
          MP: $9.55 (95.5 bb)
          CO: $19.43 (194.3 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is SB with A Q A T
          UTG calls $0.10, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.40, BB raises to $1.30, UTG calls $1.20, Hero raises to $5.20, BB folds, UTG calls $3.90

          Flop: ($11.70) 2 Q 8 (2 players)
          Hero bets $11.20,


          UTG: set for me
          BB: hahaha
          BB: gogoo
          UTG: i fold it but



          UTG folds

          Results: $11.70 pot ($0.50 rake)
          Final Board: 2 Q 8
          Hero mucked A Q A T and won $11.20 ($6 net)
          UTG mucked and lost (-$5.20 net)



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          lmao would love to know who UTG is. cuz he's either dumb and funny or funny and funny.
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          05-08-2015 , 11:16 AM
          First session of plo10 has been pretty good


          Last big hand that I probably completely butchered on all streets (was trying to get someone to raise on the flop)
          Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players - View hand 2707282
          DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

          BTN: $15.30
          SB: $22.29
          BB: $5.37
          UTG: $13.90
          Hero (MP): $45.87
          CO: $10.36

          Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP with T K A K
          1 fold, Hero raises to $0.30, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.30, SB raises to $1.30, 1 fold, Hero calls $1, BTN calls $1

          Flop: ($4.00) 4 K T (3 players)
          SB checks, Hero bets $1.91, BTN calls $1.91, SB calls $1.91

          Turn: ($9.73) J (3 players)
          SB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $9.32, SB calls $9.32, Hero calls $9.32

          River: ($37.69) 6 (3 players)
          SB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $2.77 all in, SB calls $2.77, Hero calls $2.77

          Final Pot: $46.00
          BTN shows 6 J Q J (three of a kind, Jacks)
          SB mucks 6 8 Q T
          Hero shows T K A K (three of a kind, Kings)
          Hero wins $44.50
          (Rake: $1.50)

          and of course

          Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players - View hand 2707285
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          BTN: $5.16
          SB: $14.21
          BB: $10.89
          Hero (UTG): $32.29
          MP: $10.00
          CO: $10.15

          Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with A A K 3
          Hero raises to $0.30, 1 fold, CO raises to $1.05, BTN calls $1.05, 1 fold, BB calls $0.95, Hero raises to $5.30, CO calls $4.25, BTN calls $4.11 all in, BB raises to $10.89 all in, Hero raises to $32.29 all in, CO calls $4.85 all in

          Flop: ($37.14) 5 K 3 (4 players - 4 are all in)

          Turn: ($37.14) 7 (4 players - 4 are all in)

          River: ($37.14) 3 (4 players - 4 are all in)

          Final Pot: $37.14
          BTN shows 4 T 9 J (a flush, King high)
          BB shows A A Q 2 (a flush, Ace high)
          Hero shows A A K 3 (a full house, Threes full of Kings)
          CO shows 8 T J 2 (a pair of Threes)
          Hero wins $1.48
          Hero wins $14.35
          Hero wins $19.81
          (Rake: $1.50)



          and this hand where I blew my load to soon but was hoping to freeroll for a 800bb pot:
          Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players - View hand 2707291
          DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

          BTN: $19.86
          SB: $44.25
          BB: $16.21
          Hero (UTG): $38.10
          MP: $12.24
          CO: $23.48

          Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with A T Q A
          Hero raises to $0.30, 1 fold, CO calls $0.30, 1 fold, SB raises to $1.30, 1 fold, Hero calls $1, CO calls $1

          Flop: ($4.00) J A T (3 players)
          SB bets $2, Hero calls $2, CO folds

          Turn: ($8.00) K (2 players)
          SB bets $3.80, Hero raises to $19.06, SB folds

          Final Pot: $15.60
          Hero mucks A T Q A
          Hero wins $14.94
          (Rake: $0.66)



          I really am a pussy when it come to 4 betting deep pre

          Last edited by Therar; 05-08-2015 at 11:24 AM.
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          05-08-2015 , 12:12 PM
          Shoulda minraised that or something, lol

          Edit: wow I really need to stop ending every post I make with "lol"
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          05-08-2015 , 12:47 PM
          Well I didnīt lol, but I certainly got a good chuckle out of that turn raise.

          I mean, you hold top set plus two nut redraws plus you have 3/4 of the sets on board covered -- AA obv, but you also have TT drawing dead (Th in your hand) and JhJ is drawing to one out (give villain JJ without Jh and heīs drawing dead as well, given that Jh = Royal Flush for you).

          So yeah, every hand except KK (one out, lol) (Edit: and JhJ, again, one out) is drawing dead vs you and still you make that turn raise.

          Thatīs one hell of a brain fart.
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          05-08-2015 , 12:56 PM
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by mumpfmampf
          Well I didnīt lol, but I certainly got a good chuckle out of that turn raise.

          I mean, you hold top set plus two nut redraws plus you have 3/4 of the sets on board covered -- AA obv, but you also have TT drawing dead (Th in your hand) and JhJ is drawing to one out (give villain JJ without Jh and heīs drawing dead as well, given that Jh = Royal Flush for you).

          So yeah, every hand except KK (one out, lol) (Edit: and JhJ, again, one out) is drawing dead vs you and still you make that turn raise.

          Thatīs one hell of a brain fart.
          Which hand german dude?
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          05-08-2015 , 12:57 PM
          Quote:
          So yeah, every hand except KK (one out, lol) (Edit: and JhJ, again, one out) is drawing dead vs you and still you make that turn raise.

          Thatīs one hell of a brain fart.
          Its not like he cant have a straight. I raise the turn because I dont want to give him a chance to c/f the about 20 river cards that are changing the board and raising the turn is the only way we win his 400bb stack. But I certainly dont pot it
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