My money is on colluders, although I'd find it a bit tough to exchange hands via voice or chat all the time, maybe they use additional software for that.

I'd suggest you ask stars if they can send captchas frequently to suspected bots,
I hope they have the possibility to manually do that.
No bot can solve them, at best the botters would receive a warning or something but then they'd have to be around all the time too.

What about the timings of those players? Very slow/fast, always consistent?
How many tables do they usually play? How often do they play together?

Thanks to all of you for reading the lengthy post and replying. Seems like most of you agree that something fishy is going on. Collusion or botting or maybe both

Again, apologizes for using this excellent thread for serious bs like this. But we wanted to get some opinions on the matter without making too much noise.

There are some ideas for further research that I think we will pursue. Then eventually make one or more threads about it and try to get Pokerstars to look into things. We are thinking the "Internet Poker" forum and possibly cross post here in SSPLO. If u guys think thats a terrible idea, PM me or post suggestions here


@ CBT

I havent experienced any timing tells. And I have been somewhat observant. But maybe I should record a session with some of them and try to time their decisions. Could be a way to go.

They actually havent been playing that much lately. Players 1 and 2 havent been tracked by PTR since Feb 15 and feb 21st. Its only 3 of the players that have been active the past month or so

@ PLO50-PLO200 regs on Stars

If you want their names, PM me. That way you guys can look into ur databases as well.

What kind of monthly hand volume are they putting in?

Oink, can you add to your table 2-3 random PLO 100 regulars? Maybe this difference is not something special? This is where, i think, it should start to prove something.
Also, 3 bet spread is huge.

maybe first send an email to stars before making a post in internet poker. If you make a lot of fuss and they are guilty, they will have all the time to dumb the funds/cash out. So if you want to have any chance of refunds you should first quitly try stars. If you get a feeling they are not doing a serious investigation, you can always make the post in a later stadium.

he did that i think

^^

No. My first post was a little bit vague on that. I only reported one of the players after that indcident where said player minbet/minraised 100% for like 20-30 minutes at just one table.

Neither Grethe nor me have contacted stars with all this info.

Thanks for all the feedback and advices so far. After receiving some PM's we have added another player to the dataset who fits within 23/25 of the parameters.

At the moment we are building a case for Stars and will properly hand it over tomorrow evening.

We will keep you informed and make a separate topic later on.

The minraising on/off sounds indeed pretty shady. Keep it up!

why put a bot at plo100 ?

why a bot goes all in w JT82? (its not my bot ! )

a bot shouldn't be playing an abc style, winning small/medium, instead of agroo style crushing ?

if there was some nits winning 2bb/100, id suspect more .

ps: i dont understand anything about this stuff, just saying what going on my mind about this...

ps: sent pm to charlie .

A bot has less possibility of being found at lower stakes because of less observant opponents, also more tables run.

A bot could go all in with JT82 because of card removal. If there were 2 other hole card sharers at the table they could have had cards that could make the JT8 a big favorite.

A bot can play whatever style wins it money.

This is definitely shady. I don't know if it is for sure damning evidence, but it is getting up there.

Or its one person multi-accounting two nicks with two computers. OP said there was never more than 2 of them a the table. That would also explain the close stats too.
I'm not sure why a good winning player would do that. Well, ok for more money ldo...

Interesting, now that you brought this up I remembered that some years ago there were also two paraguay players (the only 2 paraguay players I ever saw at online poker) that played exactly the same way and vanished at the same time. Always suspected they were bots, they played shortstacks tho if I remember well.

Wouldn't a shortstack bot with cardsharing be the easiest way to turn a profit by botting?

ever noticed if they join tables at the same time or something like that? similar grind hours or session duration? that's kinda crucial for the sharing cards matter. Also, can indicate that, if bots, they are being held by the same person

Don't mean to re-rail(?) the thread, but I hate this villain and I love this hand:

Crazy. Thx for the effort and keep us posted. I posted a long time ago in Napus's LC thread with Kazakhstan something in the title about those two. Which coulda been the ones we got that super tiny refund from.

Excellent job, Jabo!

Swedish news unintentionally caught a guy missing his train...
i watched and laughed at this entirely too many consecutive times.

I imagine that's what it feels like when you play high stakes without a script and see a whale sit an empty table.

and that woman has obviously already tried to board the train (sit at the table) and is scurrying to catch the next train (start a new table).

Happy birthday me!



What happened at the end there, you ask?

Well, this happened. 5 minutes apart. Against the same guy.

















What's this 'avoiding high variance spots while taking shots' thing you speak of?

Just as I was hoping to really have a great day. Good thing I didn't tilt too badly. Still hurts, though.

@Oink

if you need more data contact me via the site with a link to this thread. happy to help

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Just for the chat!