Was more the fact you described your preflop play as a blocking raise lol. All you are doing is bloating the pot when no-one will fold bc you didn't even pot it with a ****ty hand that will flop badly multi-way. You'll be the one putting money in with a bad set over set or with a bad wrap vs a higher wrap on some boards (which because of pot size you feel obliged to) If you don't want to fold it's 10x better to limp, or a bit better to pot raise if you feel you have some fold equity.

I am a new 2+2 user, but why cant i post attachments to the thread?

i'm guessing it's due to your low post count. you also cannot send PMs.

Makes sense. In many game conditions I'd no-brainer agree with this. This game, at least at this point, plays as follows:

• Many people will call raises for substantial % of their stack with almost any four cards that "look pretty" and some that look quite ugly. I wouldn't be surprised to see to see J886 or QJ92 at showdown in a raised pot.
• No one is ever reraising without AA
• The game's apparently been running overnight so some of the bad players are deeper than the $300 max buyin.
• I expected the button to attack a bunch of limps fairly frequently with a PSR. (I'm not sure my read was accurate but anyway, it was my read at the time.)

At that point my reasoning was that I had a hand I could play for $10 at a 40x stack but not so much for $19 at a 21x stack. If I get 3! then I'm behind AA and probably can fold depending on the reraiser's stack. Also, while a set of sixes is a major RIO hand, I expect position to mitigate the danger against everyone except the button.

Also, if you haven't noticed, some of the players are terrible postflop.

It may still be terrible reasoning so I will think more about your post and the other one advocating a limp. But the above conditions are the only reason my reasoning was even slightly coherent.

How can you be so certain of point 2? I'm pretty sure DS rundowns are 3b by most people in most games for a start. I'm a pretty tight 3b these days after being super loose and AA makes up a lot of my 3b range as it should but I'd be widening it against a raise size that screams you don't have AA. (so basically lots of DS Axxx hands with some connectivity I 3b when often I would just flat vs a pot open)

As for players calling w terrible hands... i mean, so is yours. You make money vs fish by playing tighter ranges for the most part, not by going down to their level. You even said on the flop you'd be happy to see a raise - I don't understand why? You are 43.6% vs T4 and 4% worse vs a set. You are GII money in bad after a questionable raise pre and are happy?

The board OTT is one of the only boards you are actually happy putting money in - and even then villain still wins 23% of the time. SPR on flop is what, 5? That's not near deep enough to get value from your hand the time it binks the perfect flop/turn. Too often you'll have to give up, or put in money with a bad draw.

btw, villains play was also not that terrible. A FD did come OTT and you did raise pre, so he prob doesn't expect 36 that often. You could have A3, but how happy are you facing a jam with A3 here? Like you prob sigh/call, but you could be drawing dead. And it's not like you were super deep.

Thanks. Good points. I completely disagree about people 3! rundowns in this particular game (as in, they are extremely passive preflop and I literally can't remember ever seeing a 3-bet hand without AA in several dozen hours) and about his turn XR but mostly agree about my hand being terrible and about my position on the flop being less good than I thought.

"As for players calling w terrible hands... i mean, so is yours. You make money vs fish by playing tighter ranges for the most part, not by going down to their level."

There is a difference which is that I'm only playing **** like this IP and when the hand has at least a little focus. They might turn up with QJ66 UTG. However I agree that 6653 is too bad even for this spot and I just got lucky to get a top 2% of flops.

Where you goin'?

Luckily, it's only micros. Imagine this happening live -> Suicide

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For the people that havent seen this yet

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Hi Zoja :P

So, this is the right place for bad beat stories? This is prolly nothing to special, but kind of the most funny bad beat, I had happen to me. Enjoy



I'm really happy, that I have reached a state, where this doesn't tilt me the slightest. Was just laughing about the runout.

It's really bad when you are bad and you run bad.



feeslbadman

deal with it

Nice EVbb winrate.

When you run your numbers...around 37 EVbb/100 and 60k hands...in a variance calculator, even after thousands and thousands of trials, there is never a sample with less actual winnings than something between 5000 and 7500 bb (worst case). Well, depends on the number you choose for standart deviation. I went with 160. I guess you play HU? Not sure what the number would be there. If you put in something like 200 or above for std the worst sample looks like yours more often.

Conspiracy theory: online poker is most likely rigged and the sites don't want you to constantly leech money out of their eco-system anymore.

i play on some asian sites, so std dev is higher, something like 360 bb/100

Asian sites that allow tracking? Which?

I have a weirdly specific thing that I want to vent about:

I've run way under expectation for flopping flush draws.

With a suited ace in my hand, I've flopped a flush draw with about a quarter of the frequency that I'm "supposed" to, and—while I'm still sharpening my PLO game—it's been a frustrating, specific, and objectively measurable (thanks, DriveHUD) form of bad luck that's been hurting my winrate.

I saw the post where you flopped a 2nd nut flush draw out of position, on a paired board, in a multiway pot and mashed the pot bet button to the river.
I highly doubt the lack of nut flush draws is hurting your winrate, but more likely your blind aggression when you do flop a draw.

Poker is a long term game, your long term is different than someone elses. If you actually care about how often you're supposed to flop a flush draw, the numbers will eventually even out. Personally, I would vent my aggression towards something more meaningful or that you can control, instead of worrying about how often something should happen in a game based on the randomness of 52 cards.

Hey, did you also see the comment I made in response to good "x/f" advice where I wholly admitted it was a spewy line?

Seems like you didn't, and that you also haven't seen that I've posted multiple hands in the past few weeks in which I'm pretty open about the fact that I'm still learning and trying to improve. Like, not even two weeks ago I posted this in which I basically said "I've already stopped doing this one thing preflop because I realized it was bad, but I'm looking to learn even more".

Like, come on. I can have major leaks that I'm openly working through AND have a legitimate grievance against specific, measurable completely-out-of-my-hands things. Both can hurt my winrate; they are by no means mutually exclusive.

But apparently this is the more meaningful thing that you need to vent your own aggression about. So, cheers to you for being so eager to attack me in a completely unconstructive way.

And, by the way, I'm not even going to be able to see that I'm flopping 1/4th of the flush draws that I "should" be flopping unless I'm using tracking software and going through various filters to try and see what the hell is going on with my game.

Because, in all honesty, I've been using DriveHUD for my past 8k PLO hands (small sample obv, but I only 3-table and I've only recently gotten back into poker) and—while I feel like I'm making reasonable plays in 95%+ of the hands I mark for review (and then break down and run simulations on)—I'm having extremely disappointing results and I've been trying to figure out what the problems are. (tl;dr: I'm having a ton of trouble making heads or tails of it. The BB is my second most profitable position, for example. Like, what? And my VPIP/PFR/3bet are on the high side but every day I try to find more folds PF, and my bb/100 when I PFR is 49, so that's at least not a negative on the whole, even if perhaps it could be more positive.)

And, as you can obviously see (and are so eager to generalize from), I'm posting hands for review here.

And, far less obvious to you: I'm watching a ton of PLO content on YouTube (old Galfond videos, Joey Ingram videos, JNandez videos) and I've read Hwang's first two books. (I keep coming close to subscribing to RIO, too. But I feel like I should exhaust other resources first.)

Like, I'm working really hard on stuff I can help IN ADDITION to annoyedly noticing "oh, hey, I'm statistically 'supposed' to be seeing better flops with suited ace hands".

And you can't be expected to know most of the above, but I can expect you—just as, like, a human—to not weirdly go out of your way to personally and condescendingly attack me. Not a line I took, not an UTG opening range I posted... just a weird version of me as a person that you've extrapolated from one admittedly spewy hand.

Like, maybe just don't act like that in general. It's dickish.

And I'll work on finding more leaks and... erm... being less defensive on the internet.

tl;dr: Your sample size on me is way too small to be taking such a weirdly aggressive and condescending line.

[QUOTE=DingusEgg;54108789]I saw the post where you flopped a 2nd nut flush draw out of position, on a paired board, in a multiway pot and mashed the pot bet button to the river.

This stat is really meaningless.Maybe you are flopping straight or having AA more often then your fair share.As said above all these numbers will even out eventually.

Saw your post after I made comment,and I disagree cause DingussEgg was very helpful,definitely not aggressive.Btw,if you feel you re making resonable play in 95%


of the hands and have disappointed results trust me you must be doing something wrong that you are not aware off.Anyway gl in your progress.

8k hands. Nothing to be disappointed about, you should play that much in 3-4 days.

Well that's the hard part.

I don't want to shrug it off as variance when I'm still quite new to PLO, but when my graph peaks early at +12 BIs and has pretty steadily fallen to -12 BIs, it's easy to worry about having gone on a 2k hand heater at first and being fundamentally super shaky. Especially because I... I mean, don't throw anything at me, but I've been running above AIEV. (Mostly just running good in 60/40 spots, nothing too absurd.)

Losing 12 BIs over 8k hands is not extraordinary for PLO and I know that, but it's basically my first 8k hands and I want to make sure that I'm not on a path to losing infinite BIs. My graph peaks at about 2.2k hands and it's been a pretty steady decline since, which causes very different feelings than a more spiky graph would.

But I know 8k is generally, statistically nearly nothing in PLO, which is why I haven't posted my stats and graph to ask what's wrong. I'm just trying to plug leaks before they become ingrained habits, review hands (both privately and here), and put in more volume before I come to any grand conclusions about anything.

Except not flopping flush draws. I've grandly concluded that I should flop more flush draws.

Like I said, I play badly and run above EV:

Dealt to Hero: J J A 8

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Raises To $0.85, BTN Folds, HERO Calls $0.75, BB Calls $0.60

Hero SPR on Flop: [13.37 effective]
Flop ($2.55): 2 J T
HERO Bets $1.77 (Rem. Stack: 33.53), BB Folds, CO Raises To $7.86 (Rem. Stack: 26.23), HERO Raises To $26.13 (Rem. Stack: 9.17), CO Raises To $34.09 (allin), HERO Calls $7.96 (Rem. Stack: 1.21)

Turn ($70.73): 2 J T 4

River ($70.73): 2 J T 4 9



(Don't worry, I'm not going to make a habit of posting mundane stuff like this. Just thought it was kind of ironic.)

Put in mad hours this month.

I won't get into the various areas you responded to, but I will address the above quote and use it as generalization for your entire response.

Poker is a game where you can't control a number of things. The point of my post, was to let you know that you can't allow things like "I should have flopped this many flushes" to dictate how you approach the game or how your emotional state during a session is. You have to rise above crap like that, so that you can truly work on and get better at things you can control that are holding you back. Posting hands and asking questions, watching videos and all of that stuff is fantastic and you need to keep doing it. Statements like "I should be flopping more flushes" will lead you down a path where all your loses are not your fault and you should be making more money, if only you'd win a flip or two, or flop stronger hands. Maybe the problem is that you get into too many flips, or maybe your hand selection is very poor. Keep doing the things you're doing in this forum and you will learn those things and your graph will slowly start to climb upwards.

I have a small sticky note on my computer that says the following:

"You are your biggest challenge"

So what does this mean?

I've been playing poker for a long time, and in the time I've had a lot of ups and lot of downs. I've seen my fair share of bad luck, running under EV and feeling like everything I'm doing is for nothing. Out of all of that, I have still gotten better every year, except for one thing.........my mental game.

When I lose a 70/30, thats just poker, but when I lose a 70/30 and then punt off 3 more buyins trying to get it back, thats all me. If I want to continue having fun and making money on the side, I have to stop being a road block to success and my own biggest challenge. Its not the caliber of the players, my inability to adapt to game dynamics, my ability to read hands or assign ranges, no my biggest problem is me.

So I continue to work on my game, and work on improving the areas that I can control. My mental game and how I approach losing sessions is 100% in my control and the only thing truly affecting my win rate right now. The other stuff will all fall into place if I keep positive and keep doing the right things at the table.

Don't take my post as an aggressive attack on you, but a firm push in the direction that I think you should go, which is to stop putting blame on anything outside of your control and to continue working on those things that you can control. Nothing wrong with having a little fun, and sharing some stats like that, but if you start believing you'd be making more if X or Y happened, then you start missing the areas that you can improve on and fixate your attention hoping that X and Y will come true more often (which they likely won't). Then your entire mental state can go right to sh*t because you just keep hoping for something you can't control.

You're on the right track, keep doing what you're doing, just continue to put your time and effort into things you can control.

Best of luck!!