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09-18-2017 , 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by girlieburger
shoot it up bra next month 5 10
Nah..First I need a solid bankroll to play more aggressiv at 5-5€. There is good money at the tables...There is one loose aggro guy who is going crazy and who is playing almost every hand to win pots...he rebuy every half hour for 500€.Its really sick to watch...
Some people just can't control their emotions and going crazy and on tilt at this game...he sucked out on me yesterday two times...
But how you can handle this kind of guys overall?..
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09-24-2017 , 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by z0mgtiltz
You're making money playing poker, that's better than most already
+1

Gw Martin
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09-24-2017 , 10:10 AM
Have my best (most winning) month so far in my whole "pokercareer". Feel great!
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09-27-2017 , 09:00 PM
Does anyone else get tilted from how flawed all-in EV is?

Example below: I "shove" the turn 100bb deep and get flatted with 93% equity. I get sucked out on the river. That isn't what tilts me.

What tilts me is that there were 4bb left behind because for some reason fish love to call off 99.99% of their stack rather than just clicking the all-in button. So according to Holdem Manager my all-in EV on that hand is -100bb, instead of +95bb or whatever the math would work out to if there weren't a trivial amount left on the river.

Since I never just flat for 99.99% of my stack - I just click the all-in button like a normal person - the reverse never happens. This seems to happen to me all the time.

I'm sooo tilted by this - my all-in EV is forever tainted (~200bb swing), and this seems to be what everyone considers the "clean" winrate. Anyway just wanted to vent.

    WPN, $0.02/$0.05 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37838476

    Hero (BTN): $5 (100 bb)
    SB: $5.68 (113.6 bb)
    BB: $7.82 (156.4 bb)
    MP: $18.25 (365 bb)
    CO: $4.96 (99.2 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q 9 A 8
    2 folds, Hero raises to $0.17, SB raises to $0.56, BB folds, Hero calls $0.39

    Flop: ($1.17) J 9 T (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $1.12, SB calls $1.12

    Turn: ($3.41) 7 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $3.24, SB calls $3.24

    River: ($9.89) Q (2 players)
    SB bets $0.76 and is all-in, Hero calls $0.08 and is all-in




    Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.


    Result: SB had bare AKxx for the rivered gutter.
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    09-28-2017 , 05:41 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Crowe Capital
    Result: SB had bare AKxx for the rivered gutter.
    hmm... do WPN hand histories not display results or something? that'd be very strange.
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    09-28-2017 , 05:59 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Crowe Capital
    Does anyone else get tilted from how flawed all-in EV is?

    Example below: I "shove" the turn 100bb deep and get flatted with 93% equity. I get sucked out on the river. That isn't what tilts me.

    What tilts me is that there were 4bb left behind because for some reason fish love to call off 99.99% of their stack rather than just clicking the all-in button. So according to Holdem Manager my all-in EV on that hand is -100bb, instead of +95bb or whatever the math would work out to if there weren't a trivial amount left on the river.

    Since I never just flat for 99.99% of my stack - I just click the all-in button like a normal person - the reverse never happens. This seems to happen to me all the time.

    I'm sooo tilted by this - my all-in EV is forever tainted (~200bb swing), and this seems to be what everyone considers the "clean" winrate. Anyway just wanted to vent.

      WPN, $0.02/$0.05 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37838476

      Hero (BTN): $5 (100 bb)
      SB: $5.68 (113.6 bb)
      BB: $7.82 (156.4 bb)
      MP: $18.25 (365 bb)
      CO: $4.96 (99.2 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q 9 A 8
      2 folds, Hero raises to $0.17, SB raises to $0.56, BB folds, Hero calls $0.39

      Flop: ($1.17) J 9 T (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $1.12, SB calls $1.12

      Turn: ($3.41) 7 (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $3.24, SB calls $3.24

      River: ($9.89) Q (2 players)
      SB bets $0.76 and is all-in, Hero calls $0.08 and is all-in




      Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.


      Result: SB had bare AKxx for the rivered gutter.
      Well the next 13 times you are in this situation you will 'probably' win this hand (you are supposed to lose 1 in every 14 times) so it will all even out in the end.
      I do agree it can be tilting.
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      09-28-2017 , 08:28 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Crowe Capital
      Does anyone else get tilted from how flawed all-in EV is?
      why would it tilt you? the only reason I see for that being tilting is if you want to brag about your graph. or maybe it upsets you that software thinks you're a fish lol.
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      09-28-2017 , 08:43 AM
      Fold river
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      09-28-2017 , 01:32 PM
      I know its bad but its tilts me too lol
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      09-28-2017 , 01:44 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by md46135
      why would it tilt you? the only reason I see for that being tilting is if you want to brag about your graph. or maybe it upsets you that software thinks you're a fish lol.
      I want to be able to brag about my graph and I don't like my software thinking I'm a fish!

      Quote:
      Originally Posted by MastaAces
      hmm... do WPN hand histories not display results or something? that'd be very strange.
      I forgot to click the show results button in the 2+2 HH converter.
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      09-28-2017 , 02:06 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Crowe Capital
      I forgot to click the show results button in the 2+2 HH converter.
      no, the default in the 2+2 converter is to show results in spoilers. you actively chose not to display results. why is that?
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      09-28-2017 , 04:16 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by MastaAces
      no, the default in the 2+2 converter is to show results in spoilers. you actively chose not to display results. why is that?
      Does this satisfy you mr. internet detective?

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      09-28-2017 , 05:50 PM
      that looks photoshopped to me
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      09-28-2017 , 06:52 PM
      Hello guys, Im kinda new in PLO, buyin is not 25/50 usd (it is something like 2/4usd) it shows 25/50 because I use a conversor

      https://www.weaktight.com/h/59cd7a07...b484c?simple=1

      Villain is 34/20/10 VPIP/PFR/3b (770 hands)
      OR from MP 24%
      Raise Cbet in 3b Pots is 17%
      Given the SPR OTF what would you do? I think his stack off range is pretty narrow, He does not have many TP or wraps in his 24% open raise range, so his range would be QQ, KK:hh ? or something like that?
      Thank you!
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      09-28-2017 , 11:18 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Crowe Capital
      Does this satisfy you mr. internet detective?

      yes it does! the reason i quoted what you suggested the villain had was because i thought it was very unlikely you were telling the truth and thus skewing the results. what you've just provided is confirmation of my suspicions.

      the thing is, your exaggerating the extent of the suck out is the result of the same mind state which dictates your reaction to a graph getting ****ed up by river donk bets. some call it entitlement tilt and it is both real and something i think most players must battle during their careers.

      (oops )
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      09-28-2017 , 11:26 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by MastaAces
      yes it does! the reason i quoted what you suggested the villain had was because i thought it was very unlikely you were telling the truth and thus skewing the results. what you've just provided is confirmation of my suspicions.

      the thing is, your exaggerating the extent of the suck out is the result of the same mind state which dictates your reaction to a graph getting ****ed up by river donk bets. some call it entitlement tilt and it is both real and something i think most players must battle during their careers.

      (oops )
      ??? the river donk bet was for like 1% of the pot ($0.08 effective). I have no idea what you're trying to say. I'm pretty sure I had checked the hide results box from posting a hand in the micro NL forums and it just remembered that setting for this hand post. Villain clearly sucked out on me. I have no idea what you're talking about. I had 93% equity on the turn and there was $0.08 (2bb) behind going to the river.

      Last edited by Crowe Capital; 09-28-2017 at 11:32 PM.
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      09-28-2017 , 11:40 PM
      What is happening
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      09-28-2017 , 11:55 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by TreadLightly
      What is happening
      I thought this thread was the one place I could post a bad beat
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      09-29-2017 , 01:06 AM
      Why can't u do the same thing? Why can't you peel and stack off the last 8cents when u hit?
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      09-29-2017 , 01:10 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by gay_on_tse
      Why can't u do the same thing? Why can't you peel and stack off the last 8cents when u hit?
      Dude its 1.6bb in a 200bb pot...
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      09-29-2017 , 02:47 AM
      could have saved those 8 cents, imo.
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      09-29-2017 , 01:23 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by gay_on_tse
      Why can't u do the same thing? Why can't you peel and stack off the last 8cents when u hit?
      Why do you play plo100?You played z500 reguraly in a few months back
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      09-29-2017 , 03:18 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by naggeri2
      Why do you play plo100?You played z500 reguraly in a few months back
      coz i sucked
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      09-29-2017 , 07:23 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Crowe Capital
      Does anyone else get tilted from how flawed all-in EV is?

      Example below: I "shove" the turn 100bb deep and get flatted with 93% equity. I get sucked out on the river. That isn't what tilts me.

      What tilts me is that there were 4bb left behind because for some reason fish love to call off 99.99% of their stack rather than just clicking the all-in button. So according to Holdem Manager my all-in EV on that hand is -100bb, instead of +95bb or whatever the math would work out to if there weren't a trivial amount left on the river.

      Since I never just flat for 99.99% of my stack - I just click the all-in button like a normal person - the reverse never happens. This seems to happen to me all the time.

      I'm sooo tilted by this - my all-in EV is forever tainted (~200bb swing), and this seems to be what everyone considers the "clean" winrate. Anyway just wanted to vent.

        WPN, $0.02/$0.05 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37838476

        Hero (BTN): $5 (100 bb)
        SB: $5.68 (113.6 bb)
        BB: $7.82 (156.4 bb)
        MP: $18.25 (365 bb)
        CO: $4.96 (99.2 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q 9 A 8
        2 folds, Hero raises to $0.17, SB raises to $0.56, BB folds, Hero calls $0.39

        Flop: ($1.17) J 9 T (2 players)
        SB checks, Hero bets $1.12, SB calls $1.12

        Turn: ($3.41) 7 (2 players)
        SB checks, Hero bets $3.24, SB calls $3.24

        River: ($9.89) Q (2 players)
        SB bets $0.76 and is all-in, Hero calls $0.08 and is all-in




        Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.


        Result: SB had bare AKxx for the rivered gutter.
        Obviously the answer is to fold the river.
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        09-29-2017 , 09:27 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by MastaAces
        yes it does! the reason i quoted what you suggested the villain had was because i thought it was very unlikely you were telling the truth and thus skewing the results. what you've just provided is confirmation of my suspicions.

        the thing is, your exaggerating the extent of the suck out is the result of the same mind state which dictates your reaction to a graph getting ****ed up by river donk bets. some call it entitlement tilt and it is both real and something i think most players must battle during their careers.

        (oops )
        Superb -just wanted to quote it. I used to be mental at this. This one especially if you've got say QQ blockers at the top, still gets me. But villain made a bad call, but if he counted his top 2 pair outs, and both ends of his straight outs he wasn't that bad.
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