[LOW] ***Small Stakes PLO BBV THREAD*** - Page 1404 - Small Stakes Pot Limit Omaha

$2.50/$5 Z$2.50/$5 Zoom Pot Limit Omaha Hi
PokerStars
6 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($507.50) 102bb
UTG+1 ($520.04) 104bb
naggeri (CO) ($1,117.20) 223bb
BTN ($6,435.55) 1287bb
SB ($711.43) 142bb
BB ($613.84) 123bb

Pre-Flop: ($7.50, 6 players) naggeri is CO 9

1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $15, naggeri calls $15, 3 folds

Flop: 9

($37.50, 2 players)
UTG+1 bets $26.85, naggeri raises to $71.60, UTG+1 calls $44.75

Turn: 9

($180.70, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, naggeri bets $90, UTG+1 calls $90

River: K

($360.70, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, naggeri bets $357.90, UTG+1 goes all-in $343.44

after 5 minutes.....
..........

Final Pot: $1,047.58

UTG+1 shows a straight flush, Nine to King
Q

naggeri shows four of a kind, Nines
9

UTG+1 wins $1,044.78 (net +$524.74)

naggeri collects $14.46 (net -$520.04)

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11-22-2014 , 12:13 PM

#35077

yop

grinder

Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 472

PokerStars - €0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 4 players
SB: 91.34 BB
BB: 330.68 BB
CO: 311.88 BB
Hero (BTN): 236.34 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 2

CO raises to 3.5 BB, Hero calls 3.5 BB, fold, BB calls 2.5 BB

Flop: (11 BB, 3 players) T

BB checks, CO bets 10.28 BB, Hero raises to 35 BB, fold, CO raises to 115.28 BB, Hero raises to 232.84 BB and is all-in, CO calls 117.56 BB

CO shows T

Turn: (476.68 BB, 2 players) T

River: (476.68 BB, 2 players) A

Hero wins 471.68 BB

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11-22-2014 , 01:33 PM

#35078

b1ochemical

old hand

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,321

Quote:

Originally Posted by yop

hand + gifs

Amazingly done. winner gifs yop

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11-22-2014 , 09:34 PM

#35079

J0hny

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Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 6,458

Can some reg who plays PLO50HU reg tbls or zoom post/pm the rake difference before and after cap increase.
I have 32k vpps to 200k bonus, which including fpps made in the process is worth 4.4k~.
Trying to figure out if it's worth the grind, assuming I would only grind zoom hu which I have a lifetime sample of only 15k hands break even. (I expect to lose grind wise)
E: I guess the point is that i dont expect to make that much in my regular play during the next month and need to know how much i can afford to lose bb wise to make the grind worthwile

Last edited by J0hny; 11-22-2014 at 09:44 PM.

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11-22-2014 , 10:55 PM

#35080

crashwhips

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Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,940

Very solid giffed hand posts

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11-23-2014 , 01:34 AM

#35081

coon74

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Quote:

Originally Posted by J0hny

How good are you at normal 6-max PLO100 and (semi-)full ante PLO50 tables? Maybe it's worthwhile to go there, 60K-70K hands will suffice unless your style is tighter than average.

As you'll get 75% of your rake (from this point) back, you don't have to play very well to make an additional profit as opposed to stopping playing. You're already too milestone-committed now.

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11-23-2014 , 02:41 AM

#35082

J0hny

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Quote:

Originally Posted by coon74

Well the problem is i played almost exclusively 50hu plo till the cap update and right now just starting the 6max journey. Currently just max 6 tabling and still breaking even. Would not be worth at 6max for me as of now
50hu zoom is only option
Think the rake is like 30bb/100 there, dont know any reg who wins ok pre rb.

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11-23-2014 , 02:53 AM

#35083

coon74

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We're looking not for a good option, but for the lesser of evils. If you think you'll be breaking even in 6-max but losing in HU, 6-max is better.

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11-23-2014 , 03:12 AM

#35084

J0hny

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Quote:

Originally Posted by coon74

We're looking not for a good option, but for the lesser of evils. If you think you'll be breaking even in 6-max but losing in HU, 6-max is better.

I need to rephrase.
I suck at 6max (just started a few weeks ago) and would def lose more than in hu.
Just interested what rake to expect at 50zhu now.
I know i paid 21bb over 350k hands in reg tables.
50hu zoom pool consists of 20% fish and 80% BE regs, have to be rly good to win pre rb, rake is no joke.

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11-23-2014 , 11:21 PM

#35085

GoGetaRealJob

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Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 7,072

Pretty sure this is my all-time biggest pot at zoom500... and it's HU too!

Poker Stars, $2.50/$5 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #32878682

BTN: $1,524.63 (304.9 bb)
SB: $3,676.24 (735.2 bb)
Hero (BB): $3,612.50 (722.5 bb)
UTG: $6,607.88 (1,321.6 bb)
MP: $968.18 (193.6 bb)
CO: $581.50 (116.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T

UTG raises to $17.50, 4 folds, Hero raises to $55, UTG raises to $167.50, Hero calls $112.50

Flop: ($337.50) T

(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $250, Hero raises to $592.22, UTG raises to $2,111.36, Hero calls $1,519.14

Turn: ($4,560.22) 2

(2 players)
Hero bets $1,333.64 and is all-in, UTG calls $1,333.64

River: ($7,227.50) 8

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

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11-24-2014 , 12:50 AM

#35086

crashwhips

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nh

What was your plan on various turns there (specifically diamonds in general and the 7-9d in particular)?

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11-24-2014 , 04:18 AM

#35087

Mt.FishNoob

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^ turn is inconsequential look at spr, a 6 tho....?

wow, how does villain not have T986 dd or some ****

cr sizing must have tilted him,

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11-24-2014 , 10:04 AM

#35088

Bowchikiwow

centurion

Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 106

lol nice dodge, ship it

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11-24-2014 , 11:27 AM

#35089

GoGetaRealJob

QuadMasterSupreme

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 7,072

I think I can PRETTY comfortably c/f all diamonds, it's a mistake like 5% of times. Villain has sooooooo many FDs in his range as played

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11-24-2014 , 11:44 AM

#35090

crashwhips

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mt.FishNoob

^ turn is inconsequential look at spr, a 6 tho....?

The spr is super shallow, but otoh there is still 265bb in eff stacks left to play on turn.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoGetaRealJob

I think I can PRETTY comfortably c/f all diamonds, it's a mistake like 5% of times. Villain has sooooooo many FDs in his range as played

Yeah sounds reasonable, he's probably only 3b potting a better hand than you on flop or hand w/ flush draw (mostly the latter given pre 4b and flop texture). Qd or Ad you probably have to go w/ it tho since you just overtook 6T hands, are still ahead of 789 hands (tho he prob doesn't have those w/o diamonds too often given flop action), and have 6outs against a flush .

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11-24-2014 , 03:07 PM

#35091

sauhund

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 5,936

can someone explain me what happened here...

Poker Stars, $2.50/$5 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #32887142

Hero (BTN): $652.20 (130.4 bb)
SB: $572.44 (114.5 bb)
BB: $2,184.65 (436.9 bb)
UTG: $858.43 (171.7 bb)
MP: $742.79 (148.6 bb)
CO: $6,362.76 (1,272.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 8

UTG folds, MP raises to $17.50, CO calls $17.50, Hero calls $17.50, 2 folds

Flop: ($60) 8

(3 players)
MP checks, CO bets $48.13, Hero calls $48.13, MP calls $48.13

Turn: ($204.39) 2

(3 players)
MP checks, CO checks, Hero bets $201.59, MP raises to $677.16 and is all-in, CO raises to $2,153.46, Hero calls $384.98 and is all-in

River: ($2,145.28) Q

(3 players, 2 are all-in)

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11-24-2014 , 05:29 PM

#35092

Mt.FishNoob

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Quote:

Originally Posted by crashwhips

The spr is super shallow, but otoh there is still 265bb in eff stacks left to play on turn.

You know how at some point you realize it's bad to think in terms of $ and you start thinking in BB. There's one more leap to SPR. Flop is all in effectivally, don't even see the point calling flop except to troll. Folding turn because of his dd is absurd if villain is capable of making the play, he that, which he is, there are outs vs flush, he has nut blocker perhaps. SPR is truly pathetic on turn. Not disputable i'm afraid. /strat

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11-24-2014 , 06:28 PM

#35093

crashwhips

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Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,940

haha I'm confused I wasn't leveling there, was your original post about the hand a level or did I just misunderstand it?

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11-24-2014 , 06:38 PM

#35094

Mt.FishNoob

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\strat. No. The only card in the deck that can consider folding for is a 6, next worse is K, then flush and straights. With this SPR, and whatever width of lack of full texture coverage in V range and 4 huge outs. That's without all the tilt shennanigans with flop min raise.

actually I don't ****ing know about a 6, I can't fold anything.

GGARJ what do you think of a 6?

I think this pot is epic enough to warrant discussion.

There should be a hall of fame BBV hands and graphs thread.

Last edited by Mt.FishNoob; 11-24-2014 at 06:44 PM.

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11-24-2014 , 07:53 PM

#35095

DeeWat

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Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 93

PokerStars - $0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: $132.85
BB: $25.89
UTG: $50.00
Hero (CO): $114.07
BTN: $72.82

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has A

fold, Hero raises to $1.50, fold, SB calls $1.25, BB calls $1.00

Flop: ($4.50, 3 players) A

SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $3.65, SB calls $3.65, fold

Turn: ($11.80, 2 players) A

SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($11.80, 2 players) 9

SB bets $5.63, Hero raises to $20.00, SB raises to $71.27, Hero raises to $108.92 and is all-in, SB calls $37.65

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11-24-2014 , 11:33 PM

#35096

GoGetaRealJob

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Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 7,072

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mt.FishNoob

folding on 6+diamonds, going with non-diamond AKQJ987542. The big cards do have some reverse implied odds, but should be +EV nonetheless. If A hits, he has more combos of KK+FD than AA+FD, etc

The hall of fame thread sounds fun, will think about it. We could vote a hand in there once a month, or like 10 hands every year.

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11-25-2014 , 11:24 PM

#35097

GoGetaRealJob

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Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 7,072

Same old, same old...

Poker Stars, $2.50/$5 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #32937162

BTN: $3,317.39 (663.5 bb)
SB: $500 (100 bb)
BB: $994.78 (199 bb)
UTG: $688.87 (137.8 bb)
MP: $939.04 (187.8 bb)
Hero (CO): $686.56 (137.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 6

UTG folds, MP raises to $15, Hero raises to $52.50, 3 folds, MP calls $37.50

Flop: ($112.50) K

(2 players)
MP checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($112.50) A

(2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $60.33, MP folds

Results: $112.50 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: K

MP mucked and lost (-$52.50 net)
Hero mucked 6

and won $109.70 ($57.20 net)

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11-26-2014 , 12:46 AM

#35098

DeeWat

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A wild urubu appears!

PokerStars - $0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $59.45
BTN: $121.54
Hero (SB): $56.10
BB: $63.91
UTG: $10.02
MP: $110.87

Hero posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has Q

UTG raises to $1.75, fold, CO calls $1.75, BTN calls $1.75, Hero calls $1.50, BB calls $1.25

Flop: ($8.75, 5 players) J

Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets $8.27 and is all-in, CO calls $8.27, fold, Hero raises to $35.00, fold, CO calls $26.73

Turn: ($87.02, 3 players) Q

Hero bets $19.35 and is all-in, CO calls $19.35

River: ($125.72, 3 players) J

Spoiler:

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11-26-2014 , 12:50 AM

#35099

DeeWat

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Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 93

This one was fun too..

PokerStars - $0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: $51.33
Hero (CO): $178.87
BTN: $207.88
SB: $50.00
BB: $90.98

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has A

fold, Hero raises to $1.50, BTN raises to $5.00, fold, BB calls $4.50, Hero raises to $20.00, fold, BB calls $15.00

Flop: ($45.25, 2 players) J

BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($45.25, 2 players) 2

BB checks, Hero bets $29.00, BB raises to $70.98 and is all-in, Hero calls $41.98

River: ($187.21, 2 players) K

Spoiler:

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11-27-2014 , 03:25 AM

#35100

DeeWat

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Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 93

blehh...

PokerStars - $0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): $172.37
BB: $67.97
CO: $50.00
BTN: $14.15

Hero posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has J