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Old 09-07-2017, 06:54 PM   #1
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Sites to build a Omaha BR in 2017?

Are there any Sites where one can play Omaha nowadays profitable on the lower Stakes(or in genereal) to build a Bankroll?
Either Rake/Rakeback has to be good or the Playerpool quite bad so that you can play Big Pot Poker only and don't have to fight for the small Pots and pay alot of Rake.
I read enough Threads here where People say its, for example, no longer possible on PS due to the high Rake, you pay more BB/100 Rake then a good Winrate can be per 100.
Dont remeber if Skill Level of Opponents went into that Calculation or if that was just a very broad Statement regarding PS?
I would like to start out with something like 2k (100Buyins) for PL20.
Would you in general recommend trying it or is it "too late" in 2017?
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Old 09-07-2017, 07:12 PM   #2
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Re: Sites to build a Omaha BR in 2017?

ya u can build a roll on any site that offers PLO

ive gone from 2 plo roll to 25 so far this year @ zoom on stars, though would be much easier on diff site / starting with bigger bankroll
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Old 09-07-2017, 07:28 PM   #3
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ya u can build a roll on any site that offers PLO

ive gone from 2 plo roll to 25 so far this year @ zoom on stars, though would be much easier on diff site / starting with bigger bankroll
Sure, but afaik the consens that on PS you have to rungood or otherwise the Rake wont be beatable if you just grindout something like 5bb/100 ....?
Wasn´t there a lot of Discussion regarding "Small Stakes no longer beatable!" ?
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Old 09-07-2017, 07:47 PM   #4
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Re: Sites to build a Omaha BR in 2017?

I made a massive cash out and I am grinding back now from plo25 with 1.5k roll + living from it in a south american country. You have many choices right now actually to play. Pokerstars, Party Poker, ACR, ipoker, etc
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Old 09-07-2017, 07:50 PM   #5
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I would encourage you to leave Pokerstars and punish then for banning the rakeback. I did that and I feel great. Party Poker is doing a great job capitalizing the greedy errors of Pokerstars giving great cash back and promotions and now making Fedor Holz part of the team.

We all have to punish Pokerstars for their toxic greedy and play in the rooms that treat us well and treat Poker well
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Old 09-07-2017, 08:05 PM   #6
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I would encourage you to leave Pokerstars and punish then for banning the rakeback. I did that and I feel great. Party Poker is doing a great job capitalizing the greedy errors of Pokerstars giving great cash back and promotions and now making Fedor Holz part of the team.

We all have to punish Pokerstars for their toxic greedy and play in the rooms that treat us well and treat Poker well
Ah, yeah forgot....a playable Skin would also be favourable....
I tried Partypoker some months ago for the first time, and while you may can get used to it, I have a hard time understanding why their Skin has to feel like playing in the last century.....
And I am all with you on punishing PS, I just mentioned them regarding the Example of Rake which was brought up here several times....it might be a Problem everywhere....
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Old 09-07-2017, 08:07 PM   #7
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Re: Sites to build a Omaha BR in 2017?

And, what about Bots ? There was a big Thread here on 2+2 about a Botring operating (even on PS?Cant remeber exactly) where the Bots did play profitable up top PL200 or 400 ?
Is this the right Enviroment to bet on.....?
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Old 09-07-2017, 10:04 PM   #8
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And, what about Bots ? There was a big Thread here on 2+2 about a Botring operating (even on PS?Cant remeber exactly) where the Bots did play profitable up top PL200 or 400 ?
Is this the right Enviroment to bet on.....?
Never a problem for me

I am just till now a micro grinder, so I don't have that answer, I ask myself the same question once per week
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Old 09-07-2017, 10:08 PM   #9
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Re: Sites to build a Omaha BR in 2017?

start crushing ante games and bumhunt. I think there is dead money on stars
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Old 09-07-2017, 10:49 PM   #10
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Zoom on stars
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Old 09-07-2017, 10:56 PM   #11
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Zoom on stars
+1 zoom is definitely nuts 25z are good imo
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Old 09-08-2017, 03:44 PM   #12
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Sure, but afaik the consens that on PS you have to rungood or otherwise the Rake wont be beatable if you just grindout something like 5bb/100 ....?
Wasn´t there a lot of Discussion regarding "Small Stakes no longer beatable!" ?
Rake being unbeatable is a perception.

Yes, it sucks if I have to pay $2 to win $1, but that doesn't mean you're losing $1. Simply means on a $3 transaction, you only get $1 of it.

In my opinion, getting that $1 simply for clicking buttons and enjoying an evening is still worth it. Rake is just the price you gotta pay to play.

When online poker first started, there was no rakeback. You simply paid what you had to in order to get in the game. Rakeback came along as a way to entice players to sites, not a way to be profitable. If you can only be profitable with rakeback, you're just not that good a player.

Play where the most traffic is, or spread your roll around a bit and multi table across different platforms until you find one that suites your needs.
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Old 09-08-2017, 08:53 PM   #13
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Re: Sites to build a Omaha BR in 2017?

I would recommend you to play on Microgaming. This is by far the best option atm for micro stakes players up to PLO50 (good rake and decent rakeback).
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Old 09-09-2017, 07:28 PM   #14
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I would recommend you to play on Microgaming. This is by far the best option atm for micro stakes players up to PLO50 (good rake and decent rakeback).
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...10/index1.html

Hmmm...I dont know...
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Old 09-10-2017, 02:51 PM   #15
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Re: Sites to build a Omaha BR in 2017?

What's the best SS PLO site for American players these days?
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Old 09-10-2017, 03:38 PM   #16
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I would recommend you to play on Microgaming. This is by far the best option atm for micro stakes players up to PLO50 (good rake and decent rakeback).
There are 46 players on MGN right now which is absolute peak euro time. So in reality, about 9 regs 5 tabling.

Party and ACR are filled with regs, BetOnline/Tiger has 2 tables with 50% bots, globalpoker is high rake and the site is sketchy as ****.

Stars sucks but has far and away the best options.
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Old 09-10-2017, 06:26 PM   #17
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Re: Sites to build a Omaha BR in 2017?

What can I say. Yes I agree its not the best experience software wise but people can always adapt. At the end of the day everybody can play whereever they choose to. It is just confirmed that MGN has best conditions for micro-stakes players, PLO100 and upwards its probably race between PS and PP.
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Old 09-15-2017, 01:58 PM   #18
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Would you in general recommend trying it or is it "too late" in 2017?
The question is what you want to achieve. For climbing up the limits and getting rich and so on it`s a bit late. Possible yeah. But high risk adventure. Instead of studying poker and putting the thousands of hours in with the risk of fail insn`t worth it these days anymore. Better study something real and get a master in business or whatever.

Being a rakebackwhore is also a way of life, but funny it isn`t.
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Old 09-15-2017, 02:17 PM   #19
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The question is what you want to achieve. For climbing up the limits and getting rich and so on it`s a bit late. Possible yeah. But high risk adventure. Instead of studying poker and putting the thousands of hours in with the risk of fail insn`t worth it these days anymore. Better study something real and get a master in business or whatever.

Being a rakebackwhore is also a way of life, but funny it isn`t.
I don't think planning to get rich is realistic in any career.

Poker is not as great as some people claim it to be, but it is not as bad either. If you compare poker to trading for example where people sees 5% return monthly on his capital as great, you tell me why poker should be seen as so bad...
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Old 09-15-2017, 02:31 PM   #20
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Re: Sites to build a Omaha BR in 2017?

Question is: How much time you need to put in to get an hourly rate of $. The next question is: How sustainable is the hourly. There is also the risk that the big bang comes and online poker dies totally. Who knows.

I wouldnt recommend poker nowadays to guys that want to have family and need a safe income. For singles who have nobody to care of poker is still "ok" imo. But not more than that. Look at how many try and tried it and failed. Big risk.

The experience and knowledge you get as a trader is much more valuable if you want to switch to a job in the real world. Image you search for a job and you say: Yeah. I played poker the last 5 years. Beeing a trader in the past sounds by far better.
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Old 09-15-2017, 06:38 PM   #21
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Re: Sites to build a Omaha BR in 2017?

Forget playing for a living.... today is it reasonable to start at 25 or 50 PLO and grind up to 400 PLO as a rec player on US facing sites?
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Old 09-15-2017, 06:51 PM   #22
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Forget playing for a living.... today is it reasonable to start at 25 or 50 PLO and grind up to 400 PLO as a rec player on US facing sites?
If you are a rec you will not realistically be good enough to make it from 25 or 50 to 400 IMO, unless you are studying a ****load and doing other not fun non-rec activities, or are an autistic savant and can just naturally crush everyone without studying.
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Old 09-15-2017, 07:13 PM   #23
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Re: Sites to build a Omaha BR in 2017?

Forget about online poker.Go and play life poker..I am on the way to build a nice bankroll atm playing 5-5€ PLO 9max.
Life poker is really cool, its not that hard to win some money there, if you have some kind of online skill-backround..The majority of the life pokerplayers suck playing postflop and have huge leaks overall. They dont care about position at all...So you have to find some casino where you can play PLO and go for it!
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Old 09-15-2017, 07:47 PM   #24
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Forget about online poker.Go and play life poker..I am on the way to build a nice bankroll atm playing 5-5€ PLO 9max.
Life poker is really cool, its not that hard to win some money there, if you have some kind of online skill-backround..The majority of the life pokerplayers suck playing postflop and have huge leaks overall. They dont care about position at all...So you have to find some casino where you can play PLO and go for it!
Let`s assume your winrate is about 20/100. You play like 25 hands per hour, so your winrate is 5bb per hour = 25 $. Normal working hours per month = 160 -> 160 x 25 = 4000$/month. Sick leave and vacations not paid.. Playing in the US, middle or northern Europle doesnt make sense for this kind of money. If you find games like this in Thailand then you will have a great live. Then go on...
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Old 09-16-2017, 06:21 AM   #25
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I think if you are a good onlineplayer who can beat PLO25...you can achive a winrate of 50BB/100 and even more in soft live PLO games...And you dont have to run hot to achive this winrate.Just play your hands correctly, play aggressiv and a lot in position and try to avoid variance and big pots oop..
The live player pool is overall bad and weak, just only few good regs and some nits and the whole rest are awful..My samplesize is too small atm to prove it..but the good thing playing live is you have social interaction, you have fun with the chips in your hand instead clicking some buttons and you pay less rake (at least in my casino where I play).
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