Should I be shoving here?
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Decent guy who hasn't seemed to get too out of line. We are about 35 effective. UGH limos, villian raises on the button to 1.10. Hero calls in the big blind with AdKs4d5s and UTG also calls.
Flop comes AsQh4s. Hero leads for 2.15 into 3.22.
I think I can check here but seeing as a Ace came he doesn't likely have aces. Since I have nut spades he won't likely be semibluffing. So if I check to him the only likely hands he can bet are AQxx or QQxx. But I can get worse to call if I bet out.
UTG calls 2.15, Villian raises to 11.30. I?
I think he can definitely only be raising his sets and two pairs and then wraps with spades. Since I don't block the Qs or Js. So he can definitely have wraps with 2nd or 3rd nut spades.
I feel a shove here isn't bad. I definitely have plenty of outs. But I can see a case for folding since he is likely raising sets and a better two pair.
What do you guys think?
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gii he can have worse draws and if he has a set you still have decent equity.
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Is it a clear shove? You sure?
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Vs QQxx you have about 37% equity, so maybe it's not a clear shove. But there are other hands he can hold and there is another player in the pot so shoving doesn't seem like it can be too bad.
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Don't lead this flop. The range of hands that a BB should be defending against late position opens is notoriously wide & capped since you didn't 3bet, meaning the preflop raiser is going to have many more strong hands on this board than you will (e.g. you didn't 3bet so you're going to have very few AA combos) It also means that when you lead hands this strong on this board and check the rest it makes your checking range extremely weak giving the preflop raiser good reason to exploit you by cbetting with a high frequency when you check flop and also finding some folds vs your leads with some decently strong hands on this board like AKJx for example, which isn't great for you when you have so much equity. Tl;dr check your entire range on this flop.
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why are you leading AQ4 from BB?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SolarAU
Don't lead this flop. The range of hands that a BB should be defending against late position opens is notoriously wide & capped since you didn't 3bet, meaning the preflop raiser is going to have many more strong hands on this board than you will (e.g. you didn't 3bet so you're going to have very few AA combos) It also means that when you lead hands this strong on this board and check the rest it makes your checking range extremely weak giving the preflop raiser good reason to exploit you by cbetting with a high frequency when you check flop and also finding some folds vs your leads with some decently strong hands on this board like AKJx for example, which isn't great for you when you have so much equity. Tl;dr check your entire range on this flop.
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Well I feel since there was an Ace on this board and I have an Ace less likely to have aces. Since I have the Ks it takes away from any semi bluffs he could be making in this spot with the nut flush draw. So I see him only getting into this flop with wraps or AQxx. Since he would check back lots of flops and I could lose value on any hands that could call leading this flop was best.
I wouldn't lead if I felt I wasnt blocking a bunch of his potential hands he could cbet with sense. But I could see him calling with AKxx in position. I feel it's close between checking or betting. This play was less about merging my leading and checking range. Usually I almost always check to the raiser but he had very few hands he could cbet with into more than one opponent on this flop.
But I could agree that checking this flop would be ok also. But I think it's close and leading or checking is definitely the best plays.
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You should think about poker in ranges not 'I has an A so i lead this A board, I no has an A so i no lead A board'
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It is a strange lead holding top and bottom + NFD, not necessarily wrong, but it is strange. Maybe the best thing that a bet does is hide the NFD.
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Originally Posted by this_passing
3bet pre
I do like this idea.
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Versus a limp and a button raise I think I prefer a flat with our hand as we have a very nutty hand and want the fish in the pot not a big pot OOP semi-deep vs a reg.
I don't want to lead anything on this flop, we have a big range disadvantage. We have an easy check call imo as we have good showdown value and good draws. A 3way pot would actually be great for us.
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What is your plan if the turn card is a flush card, a, q or 4? A blank? I see no reason to gii on flop w 22x behind. You barely have enough chips to make a tight player fold a set if you hit a good turn card.
Last edited by jjjou812; 10-10-2017 at 07:48 PM.