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Should i barrel the turn Should i barrel the turn

08-24-2019 , 07:12 PM
hi, just wondering if its profitable to barrel turn and good play.
thanks in advanced

PokerStars Zoom Hand #203612630673: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.02/$0.05) - 2019/08/24 23:43:48 WET [2019/08/24 18:43:48 ET]
Table 'Lynx' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: franbet ($8.48 in chips)
Seat 2: eown ($15.24 in chips)
Seat 3: Zentropaj ($19.63 in chips)
Seat 4: speldak ($19.77 in chips)
Seat 5: aynAex ($4.33 in chips)
Seat 6: coraline_jones ($2.44 in chips)
eown: posts small blind $0.02
Zentropaj: posts big blind $0.05
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to franbet [Ah Js 4h Qd]
speldak: folds
aynAex: raises $0.12 to $0.17
coraline_jones: folds
franbet: calls $0.17
eown: calls $0.15
Zentropaj: folds
*** FLOP *** [Ts Jh 7h]
eown: checks
aynAex: bets $0.25
franbet: raises $1.04 to $1.29
eown: folds
aynAex: calls $1.04
*** TURN *** [Ts Jh 7h] [3c]
aynAex: checks
franbet: bets $3.02
aynAex: calls $2.87 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($0.15) returned to franbet
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08-24-2019 , 10:53 PM
i think i would not raise the flop. even if his betsize doenst scream 89 we have great visibilty on the turn and have really good equity versus twopair etc. if we get it in vs 89 here we have 48% equity but villain has a very easy time getting it in whereas he could still make big errors on later streets (on the K for example).

as you played the hand i think given there is only PS left you can propably push allin as you did. i guess he can have a set here sometimes but if he has a combodraw you are likely crushing him with TP+nutted draw.
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08-26-2019 , 01:53 AM
gutshot + NFD + lots of Fold EQ vs 77 = Raise.
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08-26-2019 , 09:40 AM
Flop is standard.

But on the turn, the whole point of position is being able to take free cards when we want to.

Last edited by Czech Rays; 08-26-2019 at 09:53 AM.
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08-26-2019 , 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Czech Rays
Flop is standard.

But on the turn, the whole point of position is being able to take free cards when we want to.
+1, we're not pushing equity and don't have much fold equity.
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08-26-2019 , 11:44 PM
i think fold equity is highly dependent on player population tendencies. i see alot of folds here on the turn from recreationals.
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08-27-2019 , 04:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Czech Rays
Flop is standard.

But on the turn, the whole point of position is being able to take free cards when we want to.
This is stupid, checking behind turn for what reason? our pair of Jacks with Ace kicker is never ahead, we raise flop to create Fold Equity on the flop + on future streets, If he has Kings with FD or TT/77 he's not getting the right odds to call.

We need to apply pressure and bomb the turn, if not, the raise on the flop is meaningless since we now out of the blue are going to check behind the turn and keep in all the hands that are ahead of us, and that are like 90% of villains range (KQJT,any set, overpair + fd etc etc). Also by checking we pretty much turn our hand face up and villain has the easiest decision on the river.
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08-27-2019 , 10:24 AM
Definitely. Well-played.
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08-28-2019 , 04:14 PM
I think its pretty close. But the hand is a fold preflop IMO, although I understand your question is regarding the flop and turn play.
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08-29-2019 , 03:49 AM
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Originally Posted by BellyJelly
I think its pretty close. But the hand is a fold preflop IMO, although I understand your question is regarding the flop and turn play.
Neither my gut nor my preflop solution (though the rake is for PLO50) says to fold preflop. Calling is fine.

I don't like raising the flop. We don't want to strengthen villain's range to be 98-heavier or even set-heavier. We don't have important blockers and our equity isn't necessarily great.

On the turn: to quote myself, "We don't have important blockers and our equity isn't necessarily great." Check.

Edit: I wasn't even thinking about how the flop is multiway. "Pulling" the player who folds into this pot can be valuable when we have the nut flush draw.
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08-30-2019 , 03:56 AM
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Originally Posted by DevWil
Neither my gut nor my preflop solution (though the rake is for PLO50) says to fold preflop. Calling is fine.

I don't like raising the flop. We don't want to strengthen villain's range to be 98-heavier or even set-heavier. We don't have important blockers and our equity isn't necessarily great.

On the turn: to quote myself, "We don't have important blockers and our equity isn't necessarily great." Check.

Edit: I wasn't even thinking about how the flop is multiway. "Pulling" the player who folds into this pot can be valuable when we have the nut flush draw.
Is that Peter Forsberg with a "foppa toffla" ?
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