In my most recent sample, I have lost 20782 BBs in NSD in 67889 hands. This is a loss rate of ~30bb/100 NSD. This seems impossible to overcome and have a 10+bb/100 winrate.

My WTSD% is 24.13
My W$WSF is 39.93 (too low)

Scannling my DB, most of the bots I have in my DB have rougly 0 NSD winrates. Glancing at a few of the regulars most are better than me, but some are in the same range.

Does anybody care to share their NSD win/loss rate?

It's not like I'm passive, AGG % 32, cbet higher than most regs. I FEEL like I'm playing v aggressive, and consciously trying to be a little sticker, but haven't been able to improve it.

Any input/thoughts/help appreciated.

#1. List the stakes you play, the game plays differently as you move up in stakes and there are less multi-day pots.

#2. You just listed a bot stat that shows how much better bots do than humans. I hope you are busting your butt every day to get these bots removed from games. They are stealing your money and put a different way are part of your problems with your win rate.

Very possible to be a big winner with negative redline. Many different styles will win.

What is your cbet stat? Maybe you are a betting the wrong hands and losing redline that way / if you are cbetting too wide also means you fan not double / triple barrel enough

Most of the bots cbet way to much 70%+ reason the bots only work at smaller stakes with plenty of fish. That cbet would get ripped apart v dscent regs

Yeah the bot conversation is difficult when people start talking about stats. The keep it simple way to discuss bots is to use stats to identify and get them removed. But not use their stats as a way to describe how a human should be similarly playing.