Hey guys,

Just wanted some help regarding the red line and some other stats. After 130k hands my red line looks like a line steadily sloping downwards reaching -8000BB at the end. Same time my stats on PT show that my percentages for fold to flop bet, fold to turn bet and fold to river bet are way to high(43%,48%,59%) and over the optimal. All my other stats fall in the suggested range by PT for optimal frequencies, so they look ok. Does that mean that I am clearly burning money by overfolding on every street?

Thanks.

negative red line is not a problem in plo

To quote a wise 2p2 poster: negative red line is not a problem in plo.

Edit: to be less pithy about it, it depends a lot on your opponents. Overfolding is only a problem if it's actually a problem. PLO players are—in my experience—generally super passive, so when they bet or raise you can "overfold" comfortably.

It is a problem if your bet folding too often..what are your cbet stats?

its 50% flop, 56% turn and 43% river for c-bet percentages and 41% flop, 46% turn and 34% river for general betting frequency not just c-bet. What do you believe about those, are they high?

Thanks for your reply. I agree with that, I do believe the same in general especially in live poker where I usually play, but because this is the first time I am putting volume online I wanted some more opinions. My sample is for 200 zoom here.

Think of it like this, if you raise 100 hands preflop.
You bet flop with 50.
Of the 50 that go to the turn, 28 bet.
Of the 28 that go to the river, you only bet 12.

It should go down exponentially and evenly.
Example: 53 flop, 50 turn, 47 river..
(Don't go by those numbers, im just using an example)
Alot of it depends on your preflop style as well but off the top of my head your double barreling too often and giving up on too many rivers.

You should filter for "flop=bet, turn=bet, river=check/fold"
That would be a good start. Look for tendencies among hand structures

I had a look on what you suggested and yeah you are absolutely right. I am betting flop and turn with too many medium strong hands that I should instead check call or check fold flop/turn and then on the river I am either checking and losing on showdown(underbluffing, usually by lacking the right blockers as I am betting way to many hands without necessarily future blockers) or check folding as my hands are too weak to call or lacking blockers to call a river bet.

About my preflop tendencies my VPIP, PFR and 3bet are on the loose/aggressive side of the suggested optimal frequencies.

My work is done here...LOL

No it isn't. You still owe us a sim.

what should our flop, turn, and river aggression frequencies be?

What sim? Tbh I dont remember

I have no idea..if someone has HM2 they can check the leakbuster HUD..I dont have it anymore and HM3 doesn't have those options anymore

I have about -3bb. You're at 6bb. I think that's pretty reasonable, it's mostly a function of the pool you're playing against.

I also don't like to use stats too much like that. I think separate OOP vs IP, and street by street frequencies way more important.

The stats I use most are OOP and IP raise vs cbet, x/r as PFR, cbet flop turn river (OOP/IP, both 3b and 2b pots), Stab/probe and fold to stab/probe (in 3b and 2b pots). Delayed cbet and fold to delayed cbet.

Separating 3b and 2b pot cbet is super important as it differs by a lot.

Honestly so many players could instantly improve their game just by checking 100% on non A high boards OOP. It's like the easiest fix ever, beyond Preflop and adjusting stack off ranges.

KJT9 4b pot IP flop sizing thread you started in the High Stakes PLO section.

Thanks buddy. I'll check the stats you are suggesting here and see how I am doing also. I agree with you that separating IP and OOP ,2b and 3b pots , as there is a huge difference. Here I was trying not to get too far in a post and just simplified it in my question, but I agree that for more in depth and accurate understanding the aforementioned need to be analysed separately.

About the stats that you are suggesting, do you know what the right frequencies are?