Game is $1/$3 PLO, $800 max. Two Villains in the hand, both the #1 and #2 players at the table in terms of skill and aggressiveness. Hero has tried to stay out of their way when possible, but has doubled through V1 earlier today.

V1($625) in SB- VERY aggro, big winner in the room. Knows when/how to apply max pressure on draws

V2 ($1000) in MP- Also aggro, but older. Does not bluff as much as V1, but very capable of making moves when necessary.

Hero ($1400) OTB- Relatively new to PLO (from NL). Probably 50 hours total live. Semi-competent if not too tight in a lot of spots.

OTTH:

4 limps to Hero on the BTN who over-limps with A2KT. V1 raises to $20 from SB, 3 callers back to Hero who also calls (marginal call, but with poisition, a suited Ace, and somewhat deep, I thought this was ok. Please tell me if you don't think so).

Flop ($105 after max rake):

T42

V1 leads for pot and only V2 calls. On Hero. Ranges for V1 are overpairs with clubs or BD hearts, 53, sets. Range for V2 is mostly draws as he would raise 2P+ multiway given the semi-wet board. Maybe AT as well but I block that.

Hero's decision is to either flat (since I have no nut draws and am doing pretty poorly versus a combo range of sets, NFD and str8's) or raise and likely GII vs V1 (he will go with AA and any other draw, even a gutter, given stacks).

Any and all thoughts/comments are appreciated.

THanks,

Shorn

Raise.

Seems like a good spot to raise, gii against V1 or V1 and V2.

Your hand and position is very strong and you should raise both tines.



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Yeah, I knew it was a mistake as soon as I just called. Just felt like with no real draws to the nuts (other than hitting a T), that my hand probably wasn't strong enough equity wise to GII here. But afterwards I realized that against these two aggressive players, who don't necessarily have top ranges, that raising was definitely the better play.

Thanks,

Shorn

Straight, boat and even better 2p redraws here are quite valuable, making jam a safe play

The bigger issue with calling is that there are no obvious safe turn cards that dont make the flush besides the t, might as well get it in now while you have a strong range advantage

Also villains can get away from some incorrect stacks off on turn that stack off on flop such as weaker flush draws with a piece of the board

Damn sir you are good. Here is what happened:

Turn ($415)

T426

V1 Pots for $415 and V2 shoves for $875.

Hero pukes.

Your biggest mistake is preflop. You should be raising OTB with a high frequency with this hand. I like a limp every now and then for deception, but if the SB or BB raise after your limp, this is a mandatory 3bet.

Fold turn as played.

I did fold and V1 calls. River is 2 and V2 wins with a heart flush.

Raise preflop and definitely raise the flop

As played turn has to be a fold I think

Well if that's how you feel about it, then just fold.


There is no way you should be folding this preflop, in fact you can be the one raising, and putting pressure on the V1 (that's what he would have done to you). This changes the dynamic of the hand. Initiative isn't as important in PLO as Holdem, but to an aggro player it can be. Now you will probably get called preflop instead of raised, and they might check to you, at which point you can take a free card if you want for a lower variance option. Checking and calling when you don't really know where you stand is just not the best option.