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Thanks Hoopster and Leroy!

I was about to stop using this thread because it didn't get much traffic... But thanks for the quick replies.

I know lots of my posts are obvious, but after a while of making the right plays and getting the money in as a big dog, I start to question the soundness of my play... Sometimes hard to maintain one's sanity playing PLO...

-wm

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10-19-2010 , 04:39 PM

#2377

Leroy2DaBeroy

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For a flop that doesn't really hit anything, that seems like a large c-bet. I'd be concerned about him having suited Aces with clubs or maybe A3 with clubs. That said, I don't really know what to do. Folding seems too weak and donking seems too meh... Calling seems wrong too.

I kind of want to minraise/fold and shove any turn if he just calls, but it wouldn't shock me if that was really really lolbad.

Yuck. Idk. Maybe needs it's own thread?

(And FWIW, I'm not a winner at PLO25 yet so take my advice with a grain of salt.)

Edit: I think overall, c/r shoving is probably best given your stack size, but I wouldn't be fistpumping.

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10-19-2010 , 04:55 PM

#2378

warmachine

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Originally Posted by Leroy2DaBeroy

(And FWIW, I'm not a winner at PLO25 yet so take my advice with a grain of salt.)

Edit: I think overall, c/r shoving is probably best given your stack size, but I wouldn't be fistpumping.

Thanks for the honesty, lol. So far I think your comments have been very reasonable... expect maybe the CminRaise/shove turn line which looks like fancy play syndrome. It would at least have the merit of confusing the crap out of villian. Maybe CC flop then lead tons of turn card... might get him to dump AAxx w/NFD and certainly get him to dump bare AAxx.

I did CRAI, but I did not fistpump which I do think would be the standard line.

-wm

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10-19-2010 , 05:48 PM

#2379

SirGaribaldi

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potsize bets are the stone cold nuts afaik, and i havent really seen many players folding a flop after betting pot, so i prolly just check/call or just muck it, not thaaat good of a flop imo

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10-19-2010 , 07:13 PM

#2380

dwiele

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70 bb's deep i would for sure check shove this flop and get the rest in on any turn. 100 bb's deep i would cr but not full pot then donk 3/4 most turns

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10-20-2010 , 03:36 PM

#2381

napsus

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Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $0.50(BB) Entraction
SB ($50)
BB ($22.17)
UTG ($29.99)
UTG+1 ($110)
CO ($73.74)
Hero ($51.75)

Dealt to Hero T

fold, UTG+1 raises to $1.75, fold, Hero calls $1.75, SB calls $1.50, BB calls $1.25

FLOP ($7) K

SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets $5.50, Hero calls $5.50, SB folds, BB folds

TURN ($18) K

UTG+1 checks, Hero bets how much?

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10-20-2010 , 04:00 PM

#2382

Leroy2DaBeroy

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He's either calling or he's not, IMO. I'd just go ahead and pot it.

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10-20-2010 , 04:11 PM

#2383

Tsajajaja

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nice logic there

depense on villain but 12-18 should be good

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10-20-2010 , 04:25 PM

#2384

Leroy2DaBeroy

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Originally Posted by Tsajajaja

nice logic there

I'm not sure if that's sarcastic or not, TBH. Probably it is.

His best possible non-nuts hand (AsJsKK has 44% equity against JT**). He needs 40% + implieds to call $12. Bare Sets and pair/FD combos have ~30%. IMO, we're likely to only get called when he has JT himself and we're free-rolling (for the most part) so why not maximize?

And doesn't the bigger bet look more like a bluff?

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10-20-2010 , 04:34 PM

#2385

F3rz3nd3

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well on this board the bigger bet more looks like nuts which are scared from so much draws out there... i would like to bet 12-15, since how many cards can come which ruin our hand, just spaid or a doubble, so get some value from weaker hands then his top of his range and bet a bit smaller, just my 2 cents!

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10-21-2010 , 12:05 AM

#2386

Leroy2DaBeroy

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PLO25

SB is 53/17/2.39 w/ PF3! 13%, AF(q) 37/48/53, WTSD 31, W$SD 64. 118 hands.

Hero (MP): $31.85
CO: $46.79
BTN: $4.98
SB: $23.21
BB: $58.72
UTG: $25.91

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has K

fold, Hero raises to $0.70, fold, BTN calls $0.70, SB calls $0.60

Flop: ($2.35, 4 players) 9

SB checks, Hero bets $2.01, fold, SB calls $2.01

Turn: ($6.37, 3 players) 4

SB bets $6.37, Hero raises to $25.48, SB calls $14.13

River: ($47.37, 3 players) 3

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PLO25

Hero (SB): $25.70
BB: $46.38
UTG: $6.75
MP: $30.23
CO: $58.72
BTN: $24.58

Hero posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has A

fold, MP calls $0.25, fold, BTN calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.15, BB checks

Flop: ($1.00, 4 players) J

Hero checks, BB checks, MP bets $1.00, BTN calls $1.00, Hero calls $1.00, fold

Turn: ($4.00, 3 players) 3

Hero checks, MP bets $4.00, fold, Hero calls $4.00

River: ($12.00, 2 players) 6

Hero bets $6.00, fold

Flop and turn calls okay? River bet-size thoughts?

Last edited by Leroy2DaBeroy; 10-21-2010 at 12:13 AM.

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10-21-2010 , 01:29 PM

#2387

lenasrokas

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I was watching ashmans vid where he has playing PLO1K (he was buying in for 50bb) and situation like this occured:

game was 4 handed and good players who was running around 25/20 opened from UTG, hero just folded AKQ9ss (suited to king) from BTN. my question is - is this really a fold? I play shallow tables and always 3-bet in this situation. am I doing it wrong?

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10-21-2010 , 02:15 PM

#2388

IgnatiusJR

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Originally Posted by Leroy2DaBeroy

PLO25

SB is 53/17/2.39 w/ PF3! 13%

Leroy, what does pf3! mean?

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10-21-2010 , 02:19 PM

#2389

Leroy2DaBeroy

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Preflop 3-bet

Edit: 2.39 is AF

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10-21-2010 , 02:19 PM

#2390

napsus

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Originally Posted by Tsajajaja

nice logic there

depense on villain but 12-18 should be good

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Originally Posted by Leroy2DaBeroy

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Originally Posted by F3rz3nd3

thanks for the feedback...villain was fairly aggressive. i bet 14 and he called. another club gave him a K-high flush and chips were flying all over the place.

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10-21-2010 , 03:32 PM

#2391

IgnatiusJR

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Villain 71/36 90 hands. Easy 3bet? Read less, what do you think about the donk or should I always check here w/o reads? Turn I don't know why I checked, bad. Butchered this all around.

Full Tilt Poker $10.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

Hero (SB): $18.31
BB: $7.10
UTG: $31.56
MP: $12.97
CO: $13.31
BTN: $10.00

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with 3

2 folds, CO raises to $0.35, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.30, BB calls $0.25

Flop: ($1.05) 5

(3 players)
Hero bets $0.85, BB folds, CO calls $0.85

Turn: ($2.75) 4

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($2.75) K

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.80, CO raises to $6.80, Hero?

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10-22-2010 , 01:38 AM

#2392

Sly_Fox

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I hate 3Betting from the SB but I would def do it here.

Flop: Leading into him is terrible, as played I C/F
Turn: As played B/F
River: Complete mind **** imo. This is why playing earlier streets better is a necessity in Omaha. I probably fold as played w/o reads but can see merits to occasionally calling.

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10-22-2010 , 01:43 AM

#2393

Sly_Fox

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Originally Posted by Leroy2DaBeroy

fold, Hero raises to $0.70, fold, BTN calls $0.70, SB calls $0.60

Flop: ($2.35, 4 players) 9

SB checks, Hero bets $2.01, fold, SB calls $2.01

Turn: ($6.37, 3 players) 4

SB bets $6.37, Hero raises to $25.48, SB calls $14.13

River: ($47.37, 3 players) 3

fold, MP calls $0.25, fold, BTN calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.15, BB checks

Flop: ($1.00, 4 players) J

Hero checks, BB checks, MP bets $1.00, BTN calls $1.00, Hero calls $1.00, fold

Turn: ($4.00, 3 players) 3

Hero checks, MP bets $4.00, fold, Hero calls $4.00

River: ($12.00, 2 players) 6

Hero bets $6.00, fold

Flop and turn calls okay? River bet-size thoughts?

Hand 1 is standard imo

Hand 2 I probably fold the turn tbh, if in position I might peel one off, but OOP I just give it up. As played, river bet size is fine.

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10-22-2010 , 01:44 AM

#2394

Sly_Fox

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Originally Posted by Leroy2DaBeroy

I wish this thread got responses.

There, 2 posts!

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10-22-2010 , 08:26 AM

#2395

Leroy2DaBeroy

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Thanks!

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10-23-2010 , 07:26 AM

#2396

fretelöo

Mean? Me?

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Guy 3bet very rarely. It's essentially a bluff, but I do think that AA, KK etc. have to fold?

Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

Hero (BTN/SB): $78.75
BB: $62.10

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN/SB with 5

Hero raises to $1.50, BB raises to $4.50, Hero calls $3

Flop: ($9.00) 8

(2 players)
BB bets $9, Hero raises to $33.75...

Yes? I could raise smaller but since I have 30+% equity vs. something like AAXdXd, AA35, AA56 I'd have to call anyways. So I thought I'd make it look as strong as possible...

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10-23-2010 , 10:18 AM

#2397

Gorilla Boy

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I'm getting back into plo after a long break.

Villain is a reg, verry aggro and is b/e over a large sample. I suspect he's too aggro for pl and plays a tonne of tables.

I'm trying to tone down my aggression, as I have been far to aggro in the past, so I took the passive line here.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $1(BB) Poker Stars
SB ($100)
BB ($56.80)
UTG ($386)
UTG+1 ($100)
Hero ($108)
BTN ($508)

Dealt to Hero 2

fold, fold, Hero raises to $3, BTN calls $3, fold, BB calls $2

FLOP ($9.50) J

BB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $7, BB folds, Hero calls $7

TURN ($23.50) J

Hero checks, BTN bets $14, Hero calls $14

RIVER ($51.50) J

2 2 A

Hero checks, BTN bets $41, Hero calls $41

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10-23-2010 , 10:54 AM

#2398

ChicagoJoey

Papi

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Probably should always be cbetting that flop and I might even lead that turn if for some reason I c/c flop but you can never really fold the river because when you do c/c in this spot your hand looks alot like AAxx

lol actually that might be merit to folding but I still would never fold as there aren't many hands we are losing to and a ton of missed draws

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10-23-2010 , 12:32 PM

#2399

Gorilla Boy

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I have heard it is bad to c-bet with a wrap when the flop is 2-tone and MW?

Villain did have a missed bare str draw.

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10-23-2010 , 01:01 PM

#2400

ChicagoJoey

Papi

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I'm pretty sure I would be cbetting near 100 percent in this spot because you don't really want to be put in a spot to c/c and have the aggression taken away. There are going to be alot of bad turns for your hand and your going to end up getting 2 barreled a large percentage of the time whereas if you are the aggressor you can 2 barrel him on good

I always like to have the initivae when I raise preflop, esp in a spot where we potentially will be OOP against someone who is aggro

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