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Old 09-05-2009, 05:57 AM   #151
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

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figured this is the place for it.. if the only other player at a 6max table who is decent is on your left, but you have been playing him really well in the current positions and a seat opens up 2 to his left, do you get up and switch? eff stacks are 200bb if it makes a difference.
lol

position + PLO + deep stacks = wet dream


I either get up & move, or I quit. No one wants to play PLO 200bb deep OOP.
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Old 09-06-2009, 12:21 AM   #152
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

SB has aces here 110% of the time. Given this info should I toss this PF?

Flop I am 45% against bare aces - I expect him to fold them some of the time despite his psb. Given this my flop play is..?

edited - I'm actually only 33.32% against aa**, don't know how I got the first figure. Maybe I used his actual hand instead of aa**. Guess my play is pretty bad here. I wish I didn't suck at this game.

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BB: $25.34
UTG: $8.51
Hero (MP): $28.26
CO: $29.67
BTN: $23.95
SB: $26.72

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is MP with Q Q 6 J
UTG calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.10, 2 folds, SB raises to $3.80, 2 folds, Hero calls $2.70

Flop: ($8.10) T K 4 (2 players)
SB bets $8.10, Hero raises to $24.46 all in, SB calls $14.82 all in

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Old 09-06-2009, 12:48 AM   #153
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

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SB has aces here 110% of the time. Given this info should I toss this PF?

Flop I am 45% against bare aces - I expect him to fold them some of the time despite his psb. Given this my flop play is..?

edited - I'm actually only 33.32% against aa**, don't know how I got the first figure. Maybe I used his actual hand instead of aa**. Guess my play is pretty bad here. I wish I didn't suck at this game.

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BB: $25.34
UTG: $8.51
Hero (MP): $28.26
CO: $29.67
BTN: $23.95
SB: $26.72

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is MP with Q Q 6 J
UTG calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.10, 2 folds, SB raises to $3.80, 2 folds, Hero calls $2.70

Flop: ($8.10) T K 4 (2 players)
SB bets $8.10, Hero raises to $24.46 all in, SB calls $14.82 all in
He is bet-folding the flop about 0% of the time here.
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Old 09-06-2009, 11:55 AM   #154
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

flop is a ship? standard? shoving>calling?

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Hero (BTN/SB): $116.00
BB: $91.50

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN/SB with J K A 8
Hero raises to $3, BB raises to $9, Hero calls $6

Flop: ($18.00) T Q 5 (2 players)
BB bets $12, Hero raises to $53.50, BB raises to $82.50 all in, Hero calls $29

Turn: ($183.00) 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($183.00) 9 (2 players - 1 is all in)
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Old 09-06-2009, 11:58 AM   #155
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

^super standard
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Old 09-06-2009, 12:30 PM   #156
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

thx banana

how about this? bet/call turn?

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BTN/SB: $88.40
Hero (BB): $233.65

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with K Q J K
BTN/SB raises to $3, Hero raises to $9, BTN/SB calls $6

Flop: ($18.00) 2 6 A (2 players)
Hero bets $14, BTN/SB calls $14

Turn: ($46.00) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $45, BTN/SB raises to $65.40 all in, Hero calls $20.40

River: ($176.80) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)
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Old 09-06-2009, 12:32 PM   #157
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

i got bottom two on the turn. anyone continue firing turn? as played is check/raise awful here? looks like his drawing with that turn betsizing. or just fold the turn and forget about it?

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BTN/SB: $100.50
Hero (BB): $100.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with 8 6 7 4
BTN/SB raises to $3, Hero raises to $9, BTN/SB calls $6

Flop: ($18.00) Q 6 T (2 players)
Hero bets $14, BTN/SB calls $14

Turn: ($46.00) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets $28, Hero
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Old 09-06-2009, 12:34 PM   #158
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

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BB: $87.50
Hero (BTN/SB): $116.20

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN/SB with 6 9 5 6
Hero raises to $3, BB calls $2

Flop: ($6.00) A 7 T (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4, BB calls $4

Turn: ($14.00) 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $12, BB raises to $24, Hero calls $12???
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Old 09-06-2009, 06:08 PM   #159
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

get it in here with a nfd and a gutter and two overcards would be spew in a single raised pot? i've been donking into villian couple of times before and all the time hi was reraising me and i fold those times.

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BTN/SB: $99.00
Hero (BB): $100.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with 8 A 4 K
BTN/SB raises to $3, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($6.00) 3 9 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $5, BTN/SB raises to $20.70, Hero?
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Old 09-06-2009, 06:09 PM   #160
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

Call here it´s ok?

BTN: $20.90
SB: $56.75
BB: $55.77
Hero (UTG): $49.75
CO: $111.86

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG with Q K T 8
Hero raises to $1.75, 1 fold, BTN calls $1.75, SB calls $1.50, BB calls $1.25

Flop: ($7.00) Q 6 A (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $6.00, BTN raises to $19.15, SB folds, BB raises to $54.02, Hero calls $42 all in
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Old 09-06-2009, 06:15 PM   #161
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

Poker Stars $0.50/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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SB: $108.65
BB: $100.00
Hero (UTG): $101.50
MP: $101.00
CO: $174.15
BTN: $101.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is UTG with T Q 9 8
Hero raises to $3.50, MP raises to $12, 1 fold, BTN calls $12, 2 folds, Hero calls $8.50

Flop: ($37.50) 3 6 7 (3 players)
Hero bets $35.65, MP calls $35.65, BTN folds

Turn: ($108.80) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $53.85 all in, MP folds

Final Pot: $108.80
Hero mucks T Q 9 8
Hero wins $105.80
(Rake: $3.00)

Any merit to checking the turn? Check-raising the flop?
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Old 09-07-2009, 05:36 AM   #162
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

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SB: $108.65
BB: $100.00
Hero (UTG): $101.50
MP: $101.00
CO: $174.15
BTN: $101.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is UTG with T Q 9 8
Hero raises to $3.50, MP raises to $12, 1 fold, BTN calls $12, 2 folds, Hero calls $8.50

Flop: ($37.50) 3 6 7 (3 players)
Hero bets $35.65, MP calls $35.65, BTN folds

Turn: ($108.80) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $53.85 all in, MP folds

Final Pot: $108.80
Hero mucks T Q 9 8
Hero wins $105.80
(Rake: $3.00)

Any merit to checking the turn? Check-raising the flop?
Checking the turn is okay if he has been aggressive in general (you want to widen his range here), but if it checks through make sure you know what your plan is for all possible cards that can come.

No reason to kr the flop without a read that he stabs at these boards close to 100%. I imagine he will check through most made hands with no redraw and bet most of his made+draw type hands, most of which will split with you on some straightening cards and will probably also make the better flush.
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Old 09-07-2009, 07:29 AM   #163
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

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Call here it´s ok?

BTN: $20.90
SB: $56.75
BB: $55.77
Hero (UTG): $49.75
CO: $111.86

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG with Q K T 8
Hero raises to $1.75, 1 fold, BTN calls $1.75, SB calls $1.50, BB calls $1.25

Flop: ($7.00) Q 6 A (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $6.00, BTN raises to $19.15, SB folds, BB raises to $54.02, Hero calls $42 all in
dude not at all. instafold and live to see another flop.
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Old 09-07-2009, 07:39 AM   #164
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dude not at all. instafold and live to see another flop.
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Old 09-07-2009, 08:46 AM   #165
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dude not at all. instafold and live to see another flop.
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+1
Call is definitely standard imo.
We need 34% equity which we should have that even against a set.
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Old 09-07-2009, 03:20 PM   #166
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

board: AsQs6h
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
KsQcTc8s 35.52% 212,148 1,930
AA** 64.48% 385,922 1,930

board: AsQs6h
dead cards: 2s3s
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
KsQcTc8s 31.02% 185,081 2,130
AA** 68.98% 412,789 2,130

given 3-way action, I think we can assume that two spades are dead.


It's close, but given your broadway straight outs are probably to a split most of the time I think a fold is fine.
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Old 09-07-2009, 04:31 PM   #167
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

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SB: $108.65
BB: $100.00
Hero (UTG): $101.50
MP: $101.00
CO: $174.15
BTN: $101.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is UTG with T Q 9 8
Hero raises to $3.50, MP raises to $12, 1 fold, BTN calls $12, 2 folds, Hero calls $8.50

Flop: ($37.50) 3 6 7 (3 players)
Hero bets $35.65, MP calls $35.65, BTN folds

Turn: ($108.80) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $53.85 all in, MP folds

Final Pot: $108.80
Hero mucks T Q 9 8
Hero wins $105.80
(Rake: $3.00)

Any merit to checking the turn? Check-raising the flop?
I think it's played perfectly. You have a hand you can legit rep on the flop and the donk lead is credible. Flop C/r just forces you to flip for it.

Don't check the turn, just lead like you did. Make him call your all-in if he wants to see a river. It's possible he has a piece of something. It's possible he'll spite call with whatever. Don't play his hand for him; just push turn.
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Old 09-07-2009, 06:50 PM   #168
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Discounted KK due to button limp. this ok?


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BTN: $60.70
SB: $57.15
Hero (BB): $51.95
UTG: $76.60
MP: $50.00
CO: $34.45

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with 4 4 8 A
1 fold, MP calls $0.50, CO calls $0.50, BTN calls $0.50, SB calls $0.25, Hero checks

Flop: ($2.50) 3 K 4 (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.40, MP calls $2.40, CO folds, BTN raises to $5.50, SB folds, Hero raises to $21.30, MP folds, BTN calls $15.80

Turn: ($47.50) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $30.15, BTN calls $30.15

River: ($107.80) J (2 players)
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Old 09-07-2009, 07:13 PM   #169
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$0.25/$0.5 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
5 players
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Stacks:
UTG mkurtime ($150.30)
CO Hero ($62.60)
BTN jedi1066 ($50.00)
SB Durindal ($36.75)
BB ibetufold33 ($103.50)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 5 players) Hero is CO 8 9 A K
1 fold, Hero raises to $1.75, 2 folds, ibetufold33 raises to $5.50, Hero calls $3.75

Flop: 5 3 T ($11.25, 2 players)
ibetufold33 bets $6.50, Hero calls $6.50

Turn: A ($24.25, 2 players)
ibetufold33 bets $13.50, Hero goes all-in $50.60

ibetufold33 is a regular at my stakes and he might view me as kind of a spewmonkey (oh, and I totally am..). His game is pretty solid in general, so I would think his range consists of alot more than aces. Mostly because you would need some very solid aces to 3bet preflop OOP vs me (coz I dont give up on the flop ldo), and I would think he realizes that aces OOP vs me is -EV this deep. He is also fairly aggressive so I would definately say that an ace is a good barreling card for him.
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Old 09-07-2009, 07:24 PM   #170
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shove? this guy c-bets everytime in 3bet pots by ful potting. calling sux imo, so shove?

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Hero (BTN/SB): $100.60
BB: $121.60

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN/SB with J A 7 T
Hero raises to $3, BB raises to $9, Hero calls $6

Flop: ($18.00) 2 9 8 (2 players)
BB bets $17.50, Hero raises to $70, BB raises to $112.60 all in, Hero calls $21.60 all in

Turn: ($201.20) 7 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($201.20) 5 (2 players - 2 are all in)
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Old 09-07-2009, 08:34 PM   #171
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shove? this guy c-bets everytime in 3bet pots by ful potting. calling sux imo, so shove?

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Hero (BTN/SB): $100.60
BB: $121.60

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN/SB with J A 7 T
Hero raises to $3, BB raises to $9, Hero calls $6

Flop: ($18.00) 2 9 8 (2 players)
BB bets $17.50, Hero raises to $70, BB raises to $112.60 all in, Hero calls $21.60 all in

Turn: ($201.20) 7 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($201.20) 5 (2 players - 2 are all in)
Looks pretty good, shove and hope villain doesn't turn over AAxx or KKxx with diamonds.
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Old 09-07-2009, 11:09 PM   #172
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$0.25/$0.5 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
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Stacks:
UTG mkurtime ($150.30)
CO Hero ($62.60)
BTN jedi1066 ($50.00)
SB Durindal ($36.75)
BB ibetufold33 ($103.50)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 5 players) Hero is CO 8 9 A K
1 fold, Hero raises to $1.75, 2 folds, ibetufold33 raises to $5.50, Hero calls $3.75

Flop: 5 3 T ($11.25, 2 players)
ibetufold33 bets $6.50, Hero calls $6.50

Turn: A ($24.25, 2 players)
ibetufold33 bets $13.50, Hero goes all-in $50.60

ibetufold33 is a regular at my stakes and he might view me as kind of a spewmonkey (oh, and I totally am..). His game is pretty solid in general, so I would think his range consists of alot more than aces. Mostly because you would need some very solid aces to 3bet preflop OOP vs me (coz I dont give up on the flop ldo), and I would think he realizes that aces OOP vs me is -EV this deep. He is also fairly aggressive so I would definately say that an ace is a good barreling card for him.

Villan is solid reg, 26/20/2.3 over 100+ hands. My read is that he is kinda standard tight aggro, not to creative.


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SB: $36.75
Hero (BB): $103.50
UTG: $150.30
CO: $62.60
BTN: $50.00

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with 4 A 5 6
1 fold, CO raises to $1.75, 2 folds, Hero raises to $5.50, CO calls $3.75

Flop: ($11.25) 5 3 T (2 players)
Hero bets $6.50, CO calls $6.50

Turn: ($24.25) A (2 players)
Hero bets $13.50, CO raises to $50.60, Hero?
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Old 09-08-2009, 02:50 AM   #173
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

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$0.25/$0.5 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
5 players
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Stacks:
UTG mkurtime ($150.30)
CO Hero ($62.60)
BTN jedi1066 ($50.00)
SB Durindal ($36.75)
BB ibetufold33 ($103.50)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 5 players) Hero is CO 8 9 A K
1 fold, Hero raises to $1.75, 2 folds, ibetufold33 raises to $5.50, Hero calls $3.75

Flop: 5 3 T ($11.25, 2 players)
ibetufold33 bets $6.50, Hero calls $6.50

Turn: A ($24.25, 2 players)
ibetufold33 bets $13.50, Hero goes all-in $50.60

ibetufold33 is a regular at my stakes and he might view me as kind of a spewmonkey (oh, and I totally am..). His game is pretty solid in general, so I would think his range consists of alot more than aces. Mostly because you would need some very solid aces to 3bet preflop OOP vs me (coz I dont give up on the flop ldo), and I would think he realizes that aces OOP vs me is -EV this deep. He is also fairly aggressive so I would definately say that an ace is a good barreling card for him.
Kinda funny we both posted the same hand. I guess we both found it at least mildy interesting.

I'll play the hand from your perspective now:

Pre-wp, flop-standard "float". Whether shoving the turn is +EV depends on the villan's(me) barreling frequency. As we saw in the actual hand, when you shove competent villan's will be forced to get it in lightish, getting like 2.5:1, causing your AI equity to be better then expected with this 1 pr. hand.

Standard Hand equity+fold equity spot, and shoving wins this one.
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Old 09-08-2009, 03:00 AM   #174
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shove? this guy c-bets everytime in 3bet pots by ful potting. calling sux imo, so shove?

Poker Stars $0.50/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players
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Hero (BTN/SB): $100.60
BB: $121.60

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN/SB with J A 7 T
Hero raises to $3, BB raises to $9, Hero calls $6

Flop: ($18.00) 2 9 8 (2 players)
BB bets $17.50, Hero raises to $70, BB raises to $112.60 all in, Hero calls $21.60 all in

Turn: ($201.20) 7 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($201.20) 5 (2 players - 2 are all in)
Shoving the flop is so incredibly standard. Either calling or folding would be a huge leak.
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Old 09-08-2009, 12:37 PM   #175
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

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Originally Posted by IBETUFOLD33 View Post
Kinda funny we both posted the same hand. I guess we both found it at least mildy interesting.

I'll play the hand from your perspective now:

Pre-wp, flop-standard "float". Whether shoving the turn is +EV depends on the villan's(me) barreling frequency. As we saw in the actual hand, when you shove competent villan's will be forced to get it in lightish, getting like 2.5:1, causing your AI equity to be better then expected with this 1 pr. hand.

Standard Hand equity+fold equity spot, and shoving wins this one.
lol. link to your poastage?

and new hand:

$0.25/$0.5 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG BedHeadRed ($37.75)
UTG+1 tice03 ($50.00)
CO patzuk ($40.80)
BTN Masterof7777 ($247.00)
SB Hero ($60.15)
BB azakas10 ($25.95)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Hero is SB 5 A 8 5
BedHeadRed calls $0.50, tice03 raises to $2.25,1 fold[/color], Masterof7777 calls $2.25, Hero calls $2, azakas10 calls $1.75, BedHeadRed calls $1.75

Flop: 9 2 5 ($11.25, 5 players)
Hero bets $10.70, azakas10 goes all-in $23.70, BedHeadRed goes all-in $35.50, tice03 goes all-in $47.75, 1 fold[/color], Hero?[/color]
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