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Old 08-31-2009, 03:58 PM   #101
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

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Hand 1: Preflop/flop are fine, turn = my new favorite thing to post in every thread: if you are going to bet, why would you bet anything but full pot here?

Hand 2: I have no idea why you folded getting a zillion to 1 with your FD and gutter.
yeah you're absolutely right about hand 1, I was surprised at how little I bet when I posted the HH, I guess I was thinking save some for the 3rd barrel not thinking I might have the best hand with a pair of 9s. I'm still not used to stars pot size display or their bet slider, another good reason to go back to ftp.

hand 2 I just had a bad feeling of like a3 with hearts, and the only other hand I could think of was a double flush draw that I want to ship against now and hope the KK is ahead of it.

I wouldn't post them if I thought I played them well

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River meh standard.
yeah this is what I was worried about, I felt that he was two pair drawing and would pay me off if he hit, but maybe check the same back. but once the pot is so big check folding seemed gross.oh well
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Old 08-31-2009, 05:51 PM   #102
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

villain is wp5 45/30 in my db 1k hand
in general seems goodlag but i saw him making stupid things like blinddefending vs utg with As4s97
bb is a passiv fish
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Pre-flop: ($1.50, 6 players) Hero is UTG+1 T Q 8 9
UTG calls $1, Hero raises to $4.50, 2 folds, SB raises to $15.50, BB calls $14.50, UTG folds, Hero calls $11

Flop: 5 K J ($47.50, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $35, SB calls $35, BB folds

Turn: T ($117.50, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $117.50, SB calls $105.40

its ok? bet is ok on the flop? big hands would already bet before me...
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Old 08-31-2009, 06:37 PM   #103
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

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villain is wp5 45/30 in my db 1k hand
in general seems goodlag but i saw him making stupid things like blinddefending vs utg with As4s97
bb is a passiv fish
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Stacks:
UTG ($100.45)
Hero (UTG+1) ($172.20)
CO ($36.60)
BTN ($103.90)
SB ($155.90)
BB ($83.05)

Pre-flop: ($1.50, 6 players) Hero is UTG+1 T Q 8 9
UTG calls $1, Hero raises to $4.50, 2 folds, SB raises to $15.50, BB calls $14.50, UTG folds, Hero calls $11

Flop: 5 K J ($47.50, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $35, SB calls $35, BB folds

Turn: T ($117.50, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $117.50, SB calls $105.40

its ok? bet is ok on the flop? big hands would already bet before me...

I think betting flop here is a mistake, we have a pretty marginal draw and there is no reason to fold out the fish imo. When we get C/R'd were in a horrible spot this deep. We also are put into bad spots when we get cards like this turn where we have a strong hand from an absolute sense but are typically going to be crushed vs. villains range when we get it in.
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Old 08-31-2009, 11:10 PM   #104
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

Played a bit with CO (500 hands or so) and I think he has something very similar to me most of the time. Plan is min raise and let the shorty shove then overshove with hopefully some fe. Like it or hate it?
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SB: $97.21
Hero (BB): $28.12
UTG: $8.15
CO: $42.24
BTN: $45.45

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with 9 Q A T
UTG calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, 2 folds, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.85) T 5 J (3 players)
Hero bets $0.85, UTG raises to $1.70, CO calls $1.70, Hero raises to $3.20, UTG raises to $7.90 all in, CO calls $6.20, Hero raises to $27.87 all in, CO calls $19.97
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Old 09-01-2009, 02:00 AM   #105
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

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BB: $185.25
Hero (UTG): $203.80
MP: $111.60
CO: $108.05
BTN: $41.50
SB: $109.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is UTG with 7 8 J 9
Hero raises to $3.50, MP calls $3.50, 1 fold, BTN calls $3.50, SB raises to $18.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $15, MP calls $15, BTN calls $15

Flop: ($75.00) 8 3 6 (4 players)
SB bets $72, Hero folds?

?

pf aggressor is 38/24, MP is 17/4 and only flatting double pairs and good rundowns
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Old 09-01-2009, 02:26 AM   #106
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Standard shove and embrace variance spot?
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Old 09-01-2009, 04:29 AM   #107
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

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UTG ($20)
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Dealt to Hero 5 7 9 7

fold, fold, CO raises to $3.50, fold, fold, Hero?

CO is playing laggy and maybe on the too-loose side, but it's a small sample. He's not a huge fish, nor am I particularly scared of him making tricky plays.

Would this be a bad call to make?
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Old 09-01-2009, 08:12 AM   #108
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

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SB: $340.45
BB: $199.65
Hero (UTG): $207.60
MP: $214.00
CO: $340.20
BTN: $217.85

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is UTG with J A A K
Hero raises to $7, 1 fold, CO raises to $12, 2 folds, BB calls $10, Hero raises to $49, CO calls $37, BB calls $37

Flop: ($148.00) T Q Q (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($148.00) 8 (3 players)
BB bets $68, Hero folds, CO folds
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Old 09-01-2009, 11:59 AM   #109
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

both tags, the one betting is more lag preflop, but both in line postflop

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BB ($285.05) ______ (28/20/4,15/24 - 13100h)
MP2 ($208.90) ________ (38/7/5,67/16 - 88h)
MP3 ($233.10) ________ (31/22/3,79/32 - 33933h)
CO ($213.30) _________ (36/6/1,73/28 - 657h)
BTN ($272.70)
SB ($204.20) ______ (25/11/5,94/19 - 1306h)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 9 8K T
3 folds, Hero raises to $7.00, SB raises to $22.00, BB calls $21.00, Hero calls $16.00,

Flop: 8, 7, 9 ( $69, 3 players )
SB checks, BB bets $48.00, 2 folds,

Results:
Outcome: BB wins $114.00


insta snap call donk

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SB ($177.95) ______ (78/29/1,38/34 - 285h)
BB ($487.40) _________ (28/20/4,15/24 - 13100h)
MP2 ($200.00)
MP3 ($277.00) _____ (22/14/2,29/27 - 21346h)
CO ($239.15) _________ (33/6/1,56/23 - 883h)
BTN ($220.80) ________ (42/17/2,41/30 - 2275h)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with T J9 6
Hero raises to $7.00, MP3 raises to $20.00, 2 folds, SB calls $19.00, 1 folds, Hero calls $13.00,

Flop: 8, T, 9 ( $62, 3 players )
SB bets $62.00, 2 folds,

Results:
Outcome: SB wins $121.00
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Old 09-01-2009, 09:22 PM   #110
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

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Dealt to Hero 5 7 9 7

fold, fold, CO raises to $3.50, fold, fold, Hero?

CO is playing laggy and maybe on the too-loose side, but it's a small sample. He's not a huge fish, nor am I particularly scared of him making tricky plays.

Would this be a bad call to make?
Standard fold. Can't think of a single reason to call. Can you?


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SB: $340.45
BB: $199.65
Hero (UTG): $207.60
MP: $214.00
CO: $340.20
BTN: $217.85

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is UTG with J A A K
Hero raises to $7, 1 fold, CO raises to $12, 2 folds, BB calls $10, Hero raises to $49, CO calls $37, BB calls $37

Flop: ($148.00) T Q Q (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($148.00) 8 (3 players)
BB bets $68, Hero folds, CO folds
Looks fine. $49 invested, don't lose another $68 on a board like this 3-way.


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both tags, the one betting is more lag preflop, but both in line postflop

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BB ($285.05) ______ (28/20/4,15/24 - 13100h)
MP2 ($208.90) ________ (38/7/5,67/16 - 88h)
MP3 ($233.10) ________ (31/22/3,79/32 - 33933h)
CO ($213.30) _________ (36/6/1,73/28 - 657h)
BTN ($272.70)
SB ($204.20) ______ (25/11/5,94/19 - 1306h)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 9 8K T
3 folds, Hero raises to $7.00, SB raises to $22.00, BB calls $21.00, Hero calls $16.00,

Flop: 8, 7, 9 ( $69, 3 players )
SB checks, BB bets $48.00, 2 folds,

Results:
Outcome: BB wins $114.00
Looks fine, will nearly always have made straight and very rarely something you're very far ahead of.

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insta snap call donk

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BB ($487.40) _________ (28/20/4,15/24 - 13100h)
MP2 ($200.00)
MP3 ($277.00) _____ (22/14/2,29/27 - 21346h)
CO ($239.15) _________ (33/6/1,56/23 - 883h)
BTN ($220.80) ________ (42/17/2,41/30 - 2275h)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with T J9 6
Hero raises to $7.00, MP3 raises to $20.00, 2 folds, SB calls $19.00, 1 folds, Hero calls $13.00,

Flop: 8, T, 9 ( $62, 3 players )
SB bets $62.00, 2 folds,

Results:
Outcome: SB wins $121.00
Seems fine too, his bet would be reasonable enough with QJ no redraws.
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Old 09-01-2009, 09:24 PM   #111
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

Good spot to move villain off a chop or horrendous spew? Only have 13 hands on him, he's playing 54/8 so far and I'm an unknown to him.

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Stacks:
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CO ($33.00)
BTN ($195.68)
Hero (SB) ($100.90)
BB ($105.92)

Pre-flop: ($1.50, 6 players) Hero is SB J K 7 6
UTG calls $1, UTG+1 calls $1, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.50, BB checks

Flop: 8 5 Q ($4.50, 4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets $2, UTG+1 calls $2, Hero calls $2, BB folds

Turn: 4 ($10.50, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $3, UTG+1 raises to $14.25, Hero calls $14.25, UTG folds

River: 4 ($42, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $20, Hero raises to $83.65
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Old 09-01-2009, 09:58 PM   #112
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

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Good spot to move villain off a chop or horrendous spew? Only have 13 hands on him, he's playing 54/8 so far and I'm an unknown to him.

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Stacks:
UTG ($44.93)
UTG+1 ($123.73)
CO ($33.00)
BTN ($195.68)
Hero (SB) ($100.90)
BB ($105.92)

Pre-flop: ($1.50, 6 players) Hero is SB J K 7 6
UTG calls $1, UTG+1 calls $1, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.50, BB checks

Flop: 8 5 Q ($4.50, 4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets $2, UTG+1 calls $2, Hero calls $2, BB folds

Turn: 4 ($10.50, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $3, UTG+1 raises to $14.25, Hero calls $14.25, UTG folds

River: 4 ($42, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $20, Hero raises to $83.65

He ain't always betting his straights here cos a ton of your wraps just made a FH and will always call/raise. Oh, and a ton of his wrap hands just made a FH too.

Spew.
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Old 09-02-2009, 11:11 AM   #113
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

When do you fold AAxx preflop in FR PLO200...?

I put the first raiser on KKxx and the RRer in LP on AAxx (I was right), but then wasn't sure mainly because of stack sizes (mainly disparity in stacks between open raiser and RRed in LP).

My side cards pushed me towards calling, but I would probably be calling with crappier AAxx.... it's PLO200 sometimes who knows what they are thinking.

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BB ($200)
UTG ($506)
UTG+1 ($24.30)
UTG+2 ($337)
MP1 ($77.80)
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Dealt to Hero A 8 A 7

UTG calls $2, UTG+1 calls $2, UTG+2 raises to $11, MP1 calls $11, Hero calls $11, BTN raises to $62,
fold, fold, fold, fold, [color=red]UTG+2 calls $51, MP1 calls $51, Hero ($11 in the pot, $178 left behind) ?


UTG+2 shows 7 3 K K
(Pre 26%)

MP1 shows T Q 6 J
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Hero shows A 8 A 7
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BTN shows 5 A A Q
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I knew the shorty would be getting best of it with some rundown. The real problem was figuring out how my AAxx does vs. AAxx and KKxx:

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pokenum -mc 500000 -o 7c 3h kh kc - as 8c ad 7s - 5c ac ah qs
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Kc 7c Kh 3h 150594 30.12 349406 69.88 0 0.00 0.301
As 7s 8c Ad 116730 23.35 231886 46.38 151384 30.28 0.385
Qs Ac 5c Ah 81292 16.26 267324 53.46 151384 30.28 0.314

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Old 09-02-2009, 11:38 AM   #114
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Your aces are very strong, no way I am folding those!
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Old 09-02-2009, 12:04 PM   #115
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Ship it in. They're mediocre aces but... they're aces and you can your stack in pre-. Also you should 3-bet first time round.
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Old 09-02-2009, 12:09 PM   #116
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He ain't always betting his straights here cos a ton of your wraps just made a FH and will always call/raise. Oh, and a ton of his wrap hands just made a FH too.
Are there really that many hands that have a full house on the river that would be calling on the flop then raising this turn?
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Old 09-02-2009, 12:24 PM   #117
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is it a fold pre? i'm like 80...90% sure there's AA in his hand.

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Old 09-02-2009, 12:34 PM   #118
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Fold with 95bbs, I dont know where a call is neutral EV.

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Old 09-02-2009, 12:38 PM   #119
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This is a call this deep!
don't think 95 bb is deep enough when there's 1.2 potbet left to play
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Old 09-02-2009, 12:41 PM   #120
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don't think 95 bb is deep enough when there's 1.2 potbet left to play
I dont even know what you are talking about
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Old 09-02-2009, 12:42 PM   #121
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I dont even know what you are talking about

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Old 09-02-2009, 12:51 PM   #122
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lol, +1 on whatever spurious thinks
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Old 09-02-2009, 01:36 PM   #123
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MP: $4.47
Hero (CO): $5.68
BTN: $21.90
SB: $7.22
BB: $2.85
UTG: $8.00

UTG posts a big blind ($0.05)

Pre Flop: ($0.12) Hero is CO with J A 8 A
UTG checks, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.22, BTN calls $0.22, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.17

Flop: ($0.73) 9 5 6 (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.40, BTN raises to $1.80, UTG calls $1.80, Hero raises to $5.46 all in,



standard?
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Old 09-02-2009, 01:47 PM   #124
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With the NFD I guess it is
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Old 09-02-2009, 01:51 PM   #125
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BB is a pretty big fish and MP is an "okay" hold'em reg (winrate of 1.97bb/100 over pretty big sample) not too sure about his plo game

I was just wondering if its standard to fold here... I have hold'em convert syndrome and folding here jsut seems really weak to me since i have 35% equity against the top of his range

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 10, 9, J, 3
UTG bets $0.85, MP calls $0.85, Hero calls $0.85, 1 fold, BB calls $0.60

Flop: ($3.50) 6, 5, 9 (4 players)
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Total pot: $8

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