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Old 09-02-2017, 11:05 PM   #7101
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

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Anyone know what in general a fold to 3b after opening % should look like for a winning PLO player? I think I have been calling way too often after doing some database review
Depends on too many factors. Your raising position, 3 bettors position + tightness, stack sizes.

But you should probably be folding badish KKxx and similar from EP to 3 bets.
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Old 09-06-2017, 01:43 PM   #7102
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

$25.00 USD PL Omaha

Seat 6 is the button
Seat 1: Hero ( $25.24 USD )
Seat 4: Player4 ( $36.53 USD ) - VPIP: 26, PFR: 16, 3B: 3, AF: 2,5, Hands: 857
Seat 5: Player5 ( $13.99 USD ) - VPIP: 33, PFR: 13, 3B: 9, AF: 3,0, Hands: 202

Hero posts small blind [$0.10 USD].
Player2 posts big blind [$0.25 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Kh Qd 7h Kd ]
Player3 folds
Player4 raises [$0.85 USD]
Player5 raises [$2.90 USD]
Player6 folds
Hero?

Hey guys,
I think this is a fine spot for 4betting since we have a nice hand and given the action so far. Against a very tight open raiser or 3bettor, I would fold this.

What do you think?
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Old 09-07-2017, 12:40 PM   #7103
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

It depends on the CO's 3betting range but with him having a 50bb stack I quite like it, especially if he tends to be quite agg.
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Old 09-12-2017, 02:51 PM   #7104
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

PokerStars - €0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 71.4 BB (VPIP: 41.18, PFR: 5.88, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
Hero (SB): 100 BB
BB: 101.8 BB (VPIP: 24.71, PFR: 3.47, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 259)
UTG: 99.72 BB (VPIP: 47.79, PFR: 32.74, 3Bet Preflop: 17.14, Hands: 114)
CO: 72.18 BB (VPIP: 38.30, PFR: 6.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 47)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Ad Kc 9d Tc
fold, CO raises to 3 BB, BTN calls 3 BB, Hero raises to 12 BB, fold, CO calls 9 BB, BTN calls 9 BB

Flop : (37 BB, 3 players) 6s 8s 5c
Hero bets 20.06 BB, CO raises to 60.18 BB and is all-in, fold, fold

CO wins 72.1 BB

Do you 3bet pre? How bad is cbet on this board?
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Old 09-12-2017, 02:56 PM   #7105
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

very bad.
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Old 10-07-2017, 03:08 AM   #7106
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

plo5z
pre I don't 3 bet because we are a bit deep and I prefer to play some postflop, but once I can 4 bet and go all in on the flop I re-pot it and ship the flop 3 way. Is it better to just call the 3 bet pre flop?

PokerStars Zoom Pot-Limit Omaha, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com/

Button ($5.47)
SB ($22.16)
BB ($2.55)
UTG ($31)
Hero (MP) ($10.35)
CO ($14.06)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 9, A, 7, A
UTG raises to $0.17, Hero calls $0.17, CO raises to $0.75, 1 fold, SB calls $0.73, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.58, Hero raises to $3.80, CO calls $3.05, SB calls $3.05, 1 fold

Flop: ($12.20) Q, 5, K (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $6.55 (All-In), CO raises to $10.26 (All-In), SB calls $10.26

Turn: ($39.27) 4 (3 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($39.27) 9 (3 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $39.27 | Rake: $1

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Old 10-08-2017, 02:41 AM   #7107
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

auto 4 bet (you should be very happy you are able to...).
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Old 10-08-2017, 04:21 AM   #7108
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

we are not checking back the flop either, no?

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Old 10-10-2017, 07:33 AM   #7109
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

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PokerStars - €0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 71.4 BB (VPIP: 41.18, PFR: 5.88, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
Hero (SB): 100 BB
BB: 101.8 BB (VPIP: 24.71, PFR: 3.47, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 259)
UTG: 99.72 BB (VPIP: 47.79, PFR: 32.74, 3Bet Preflop: 17.14, Hands: 114)
CO: 72.18 BB (VPIP: 38.30, PFR: 6.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 47)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Ad Kc 9d Tc
fold, CO raises to 3 BB, BTN calls 3 BB, Hero raises to 12 BB, fold, CO calls 9 BB, BTN calls 9 BB

Flop : (37 BB, 3 players) 6s 8s 5c
Hero bets 20.06 BB, CO raises to 60.18 BB and is all-in, fold, fold

CO wins 72.1 BB

Do you 3bet pre? How bad is cbet on this board?
Just on this.

I dont mind including this hand in my sb 3bet squeeze range, but this is a bad spot for a squeeze. You are looking at getting CO to fold, but his stats are loose passive so much more unlikely to fold. BT is also loose (over a small sample), so most likely you are ending up with a bloated pot OOP three ways. Just flat and realise your wrap/flush potential.

Flop - check/fold. Admittedly you have blockers to the nuts, but a part of their 3bet calling range will hit this hard. You are drawing to 3 7's for the nuts, the diamond 7 counterfeits your straight and leaves you drawing to 9 cards for the NFD on the river.
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Old 10-10-2017, 04:39 PM   #7110
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

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we are not checking back the flop either, no?

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no, but you are sad when you put the money in.
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Old 10-19-2017, 08:21 PM   #7111
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

£0.10/£0.20 - PLO

full 6 max table, fold fold fold

BTN: Hero (£24)
SB: (£9)

BB: (£29)

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [AJ5T]

Hero raises to £0.70, SB calls, BB folds

£1.60

*** FLOP *** [9 2 9]

SB bets £0.60, Hero calls

£2.80

*** TURN *** [9 2 9] [A]

SB checks, Hero checks

£2.80

*** RIVER *** [9 2 9 A] [T]

SB bets £1.40, Hero raises to £7.00, thoughts

expect this player to lead flop with all Khi, Ahi fd, and 9x based on his tendencies, when he checks turn it seems to be A9 or Ahi flush draw with better show down, is this river raise (which was as a bluff) fancy play syndrome this shallow with this sort of weak player?

Also my speculation is players tend to give less credit on double flush boards but perhaps I'm looking at the hand from a far too basic point of view?
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Old 10-20-2017, 04:29 AM   #7112
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

you put him on A9 and you raise river...
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Old 10-20-2017, 10:49 AM   #7113
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

Reading this back I don't even know what I was rambling on about, note to self don't make posts after long session half asleep. Although he can have A9xx I didn't put him on it then raise no.

Ignoring my nonsense can you comment on all streets please.
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Old 10-21-2017, 02:00 PM   #7114
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

expect this player to lead flop with all Khi, Ahi fd, and 9x based on his tendencies.

then fold flop, fold river.

river raise is ambitious vs the range you ascribe, however, raising river can be very +EV vs. a certain large subset of players.. I will say no more .

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Old 10-23-2017, 07:52 AM   #7115
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point taken thanks
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Old 10-26-2017, 05:43 AM   #7116
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

PLO50z, villain unknown. I'm new to PLO and am totally lost here. Is pre a fold to 3b? What is he repping betting so big, do we ever push here?

Stacks:
UTG ($335.68BB) 336bb
UTG+1 ($119.38BB) 119bb
CO ($204.6BB) 205bb
BTN Hero ($350.16BB) 350bb
SB ($132.7BB) 133bb
BB ($120BB) 120bb

Pre-Flop: (1.5BB, 6 players) Hero is BTN K 5 3 K
3 folds, Hero raises to 3.5BB, SB raises to 11.5BB, 1 fold, Hero calls 8BB

Flop: 8 2 4 ($24BB, 2 players)
SB bets 22.8BB, Hero calls 22.8BB

Turn: 8 ($69.6BB, 2)
SB bets 66.12BB
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Old 10-26-2017, 09:04 AM   #7117
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

I'm also PLO noob but will post for fun...

I think pre is easy call, although you might not have direct price against your opponents range you get to play in position.

I don't mind calling flop, up and down, back door 2nd NFD and KK. I wonder if raising is an option? Interested to hear others thoughts.

As played fold turn.
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Old 10-26-2017, 02:18 PM   #7118
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

blast the flop.
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Old 11-08-2017, 06:11 PM   #7119
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

Totally unknown villain. Do you call here with 2 backdoor flush draws, gutshot and middle pair. Or just let it go until you have better read how villain plays?

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 4 Players

BB: $19.75 (79 bb)
CO: $28.83 (115.3 bb)
Hero (BTN): $25 (100 bb)
SB: $40.43 (161.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with K A 5 2
CO folds, Hero raises to $0.85, SB folds, BB calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.80) T 3 5 (2 players)
BB bets $1.72, Hero ?
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Old 11-09-2017, 08:30 AM   #7120
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

super easy call.

Hand above, pre is fine, flop is fine, turn is wtf by him...
probably fold and continue with boats, 8x and picked up straight + FDs to not be overfolding vs him
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Old 11-11-2017, 07:17 AM   #7121
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

Villian is 31/19. Easy turnfold?


    Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37869487

    Hero (MP): $50.71 (101.4 bb)
    CO: $116.16 (232.3 bb)
    BTN: $159.06 (318.1 bb)
    SB: $49.83 (99.7 bb)
    BB: $75.19 (150.4 bb)
    UTG: $50 (100 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with K 7 K Q
    UTG folds, Hero raises to $1.50, CO folds, BTN calls $1.50, SB calls $1.25, BB calls $1

    Flop: ($6) K 2 5 (4 players)
    SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $5, BTN calls $5, SB calls $5, BB folds

    Turn: ($21) 4 (3 players)
    SB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $19.95, 2 folds

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    Old 11-13-2017, 07:06 PM   #7122
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    Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

    Im not folding top set that, easy spec to player who bet after 2 checks.
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    Old 11-23-2017, 08:17 AM   #7123
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    PokerStars - $0.50 PL Hi FAST (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    Hero (BTN): 141.5 BB
    SB: 40.66 BB (VPIP: 57.14, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
    BB: 76.68 BB (VPIP: 48.48, PFR: 21.21, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 34)
    UTG: 136.12 BB (VPIP: 14.68, PFR: 6.42, 3Bet Preflop: 2.04, Hands: 110)
    MP: 159.14 BB (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 14.81, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 28)
    CO: 177.7 BB (VPIP: 55.17, PFR: 31.03, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 30)

    SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

    Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9 5 A 5

    fold, MP raises to 3.5 BB, fold, Hero calls 3.5 BB, fold, fold

    Flop: (8.5 BB, 2 players) 5 8 8
    MP bets 4.04 BB, Hero raises to 16.16 BB, MP calls 12.12 BB

    Turn: (40.82 BB, 2 players) 2
    MP checks, Hero bets 32.5 BB, MP calls 32.5 BB

    River: (105.82 BB, 2 players) 9
    MP checks, Hero bets 89.34 BB and is all-in

    Hero wins 101.82 BB
    Thoughts?
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    Old 11-24-2017, 06:02 PM   #7124
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    Standard play on every street.2 on turn and 9 on river when you block one 9 are not scary cards.When he checks river can not see him having better hand almost ever.
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    Old 12-01-2017, 09:01 AM   #7125
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      Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      SB: $33.43 (133.7 bb)
      BB: $25.35 (101.4 bb)
      UTG: $48.11 (192.4 bb)
      MP: $10.36 (41.4 bb)
      Hero (CO): $30.04 (120.2 bb)
      BTN: $22.90 (91.6 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is CO with 5 9 8 6
      UTG folds, MP calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.10, BTN raises to $3.90, 2 folds, MP calls $3.65, Hero calls $2.80

      Flop: ($12.05) K 6 4 (3 players)
      MP checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $8.66, MP calls $6.46 and is all-in, Hero folds

      Turn: ($24.97) 5 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
      River: ($24.97) T (2 players, 1 is all-in)



      Flop is std but do you call that 3bet to see the flop along with 2 opponents where one is a fish and the BTN could possibly be a reg?
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