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Old 05-01-2017, 01:01 PM   #7076
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

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PokerStars - $0.05 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 161.8 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
UTG: 102.6 BB (VPIP: 26.67, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
MP: 98 BB (VPIP: 69.23, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
Hero (CO): 345.8 BB
BTN: 50.8 BB (VPIP: 86.67, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
SB: 19.4 BB (VPIP: 71.43, PFR: 7.14, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q 9 4 Q

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, Hero raises to 2 BB, BTN calls 2 BB, fold, BB calls 1 BB, UTG calls 1 BB

Flop: (8.4 BB, 4 players) 8 8 8
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets 6.2 BB, fold, BB calls 6.2 BB, fold

Turn: (20.8 BB, 2 players) 7
BB checks, Hero bets 12.4 BB, BB raises to 29 BB, Hero calls 16.6 BB

River: (78.8 BB, 2 players) 3
BB bets 78.8 BB
Pre: I would limp behind given hand strength and vpips infront. If A then always iso raising, but making my iso raise size bigger.
Flop: I check, don't need to protect against anything except 99-JJ and we hold a 9, and don't expect to get 3 streets from those hands either, which are the hands you are targeting if you bet flop.
Turn: As played I fold
River: Definitely folding to river jam. Only 15 hands on villain but you can make a general assumption he's on the passive side playing 40/6

Think I would rather play a 1 street game with this hand.
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Old 05-01-2017, 03:45 PM   #7077
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

PokerStars - $0.05 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 43.4 BB (VPIP: 80.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
Hero (BTN): 213.4 BB
SB: 116.4 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
BB: 190.2 BB (VPIP: 62.79, PFR: 20.93, 3Bet Preflop: 22.73, Hands: 44)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K 2 T T

CO calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 3 BB, SB calls 2.6 BB, BB calls 2 BB, CO calls 2 BB

Flop: (12 BB, 4 players) J K 5
SB checks, BB bets 7 BB, fold, Hero ?

Is this spot a standard call?
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Old 05-06-2017, 02:27 PM   #7078
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

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PokerStars - $0.05 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 43.4 BB (VPIP: 80.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
Hero (BTN): 213.4 BB
SB: 116.4 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
BB: 190.2 BB (VPIP: 62.79, PFR: 20.93, 3Bet Preflop: 22.73, Hands: 44)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K 2 T T

CO calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 3 BB, SB calls 2.6 BB, BB calls 2 BB, CO calls 2 BB

Flop: (12 BB, 4 players) J K 5
SB checks, BB bets 7 BB, fold, Hero ?

Is this spot a standard call?
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Old 05-08-2017, 09:32 PM   #7079
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

I am still learning the great game myself, but are we too nitty considering a fold there? it doesnt seem likely that we are beating alot, and we're really only looking for backdoor hearts and broadway draws. Which I dont think we are getting the odds to call on the flop. I would also like a better players input
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Old 05-08-2017, 09:42 PM   #7080
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

we have top pair, position, backdoor flushdraws and great bluffing opportunities with the TT blockers in the event a straightening card hits the turn or river. on such a dry flop he can't have very much so often enough he'll check turn and we regain control of the betting. i'm not folding.
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Old 05-08-2017, 10:33 PM   #7081
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

The insight I needed tyty
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Old 05-16-2017, 03:20 AM   #7082
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

    Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
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    SB: $32.04 (320.4 bb)
    BB: $7.25 (72.5 bb)
    UTG: $2.61 (26.1 bb)
    Hero (MP): $13.83 (138.3 bb)
    CO: $21.11 (211.1 bb)
    BTN: $8.04 (80.4 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with A K 6 A
    UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.35, CO raises to $0.60, 3 folds, Hero raises to $1.95, CO calls $1.35

    Flop: ($4.05) 2 6 5 (2 players)
    Hero ?


    Std b/c vs unknown?
    Note that he just reclicked pre, so we're deeper than usual. How much does it change the situation if we don't block a 6?
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    Old 05-16-2017, 12:07 PM   #7083
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      Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      SB: $32.04 (320.4 bb)
      BB: $7.25 (72.5 bb)
      UTG: $2.61 (26.1 bb)
      Hero (MP): $13.83 (138.3 bb)
      CO: $21.11 (211.1 bb)
      BTN: $8.04 (80.4 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP with A K 6 A
      UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.35, CO raises to $0.60, 3 folds, Hero raises to $1.95, CO calls $1.35

      Flop: ($4.05) 2 6 5 (2 players)
      Hero ?


      Std b/c vs unknown?
      Note that he just reclicked pre, so we're deeper than usual. How much does it change the situation if we don't block a 6?
      My personal thoughts are that potting is good bc your villain likely doesn't hit that flop that well given pre flop action, he might have AKsxx or something like that so he either makes a bad call or folds.

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      Old 05-20-2017, 07:41 PM   #7084
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      Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

      Should I be betting here (OTT) or checking.

      PokerStars - $0.05 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 4 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      Hero (BTN): 98.6 BB
      SB: 100.2 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
      BB: 134.2 BB (VPIP: 52.03, PFR: 7.32, 3Bet Preflop: 1.79, Hands: 123)
      CO: 93.4 BB (VPIP: 52.63, PFR: 26.32, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)

      SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 2 Q 7 A

      fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, SB calls 2.6 BB, BB calls 2 BB

      Flop: (9 BB, 3 players) 9 Q T
      SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

      Turn: (9 BB, 3 players) 7
      SB checks, BB checks, Hero ?

      The hard part about this spot for me is that I'm up against multiple villains. Both checking to me OTF and Turn. OTF I figure it is possible that both V's miss but unlikely. I turn two pair but more straights are made. Do I check OTT and give both V's another opportunity to improve or should I b/f here seeing as I'm either ahead or way behind?
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      Old 05-31-2017, 10:14 AM   #7085
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      Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

        Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
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        CO: $4.20 (210 bb)
        BTN: $3.17 (158.5 bb)
        SB: $3.14 (157 bb)
        BB: $2.89 (144.5 bb)
        UTG: $5.52 (276 bb)
        Hero (MP): $8.04 (402 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is MP with 4 6 A A
        UTG raises to $0.06, Hero raises to $0.21, 4 folds, UTG raises to $0.66, Hero raises to $2.01, UTG raises to $5.52, Hero calls $3.51

        Flop: ($11.07) A 7 J (2 players)
        Turn: ($11.07) 3 (2 players)
        River: ($11.07) 4 (2 players)

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        Is this standard getting it in so deep pre flop with double suited Aces? Villain had won his stack by 5 betting all in pre flop with 3457os. But when i move up it'sunlikely villains will be getting this many blinds in pre with villains hand so would probably be better just flatting to save villain folding all his bluffs?

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        Old 05-31-2017, 11:01 AM   #7086
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        Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

        once he 4-bets your play should be automatic.

        if he 6-bets you have an easy shove all-in (because you aces, pretty decent ones at that). if he calls your 5-bet you have an easy flop shove since you'll have < one pot sized bet left (which means shove for value 100% of the time, no matter what the flop is). if he shoves before you get to act, the same applies. call the all-in.
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        Old 05-31-2017, 02:53 PM   #7087
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        Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

        Since equities run close, it's often a positive to fold your opponents' bluffs pre. Even against the very best AA** hand (AAKKds) we are still 46.37%. Against single suited AA we are flipping/ahead in equity. Get all the money in preflop that you can.
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        Old 06-12-2017, 08:13 PM   #7088
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        Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

        Two questions:

        1) Standard to c-bet here against 4 other players with weak over pair, gutshot, and double backdoor FD, or check?

        2) In general, how much value do you place on a double backdoor FD?


        $1 NL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players

        BTN: 67.06 BB
        SB: 66.34 BB
        BB: 40 BB
        Hero (UTG): 167.28 BB
        CO: 55.03 BB
        SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

        Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q T T K

        Hero raises to 3.5 BB, CO calls 3.5 BB, BTN calls 3.5 BB, SB calls 3 BB, BB calls 2.5 BB

        Flop: (17.5 BB, 5 players) 8 9 2
        SB checks, BB checks, Hero...

        Thanks!
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        Old 06-12-2017, 08:26 PM   #7089
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        Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

        easy check. A BDFD gives about 4% extra equity on the flop.
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        Old 06-12-2017, 08:40 PM   #7090
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        Excellent!

        Thank you sir.
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        Old 06-12-2017, 11:00 PM   #7091
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          WPN, $0.01/$0.02 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
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          SB: $2.82 (141 bb)
          BB: $2 (100 bb)
          MP: $1.76 (88 bb)
          Hero (CO): $6.98 (349 bb)
          BTN: $7.59 (379.5 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is CO with 2 A K Q
          MP folds, Hero raises to $0.07, 2 folds, BB calls $0.05

          Flop: ($0.15) 6 6 A (2 players)
          BB checks, Hero bets $0.08, BB calls $0.08

          Turn: ($0.31) 5 (2 players)
          BB checks, Hero bets $0.15, BB calls $0.15

          River: ($0.61) 4 (2 players)
          BB checks, Hero checks

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          I don't really know that much about what i'm doing in PLO at this point. This is BB's first hand at the table. 1/2 pot fine? And do you try for some value on the end, or is that too thin? Or would you go for value against a fish but check against a good player?
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          Old 06-15-2017, 06:17 PM   #7092
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          I think you play the hand well. I'd bet 3/4 pot as I expect us to be ahead on the flop and turn, by the river I'm not sure if he calls with worse so I'd check here like you did.
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          Old 07-12-2017, 06:15 PM   #7093
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          Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

          Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
          Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

          UTG: 135.6 BB (VPIP: 71.43, PFR: 32.14, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 29)
          CO: 173.6 BB (VPIP: 32.56, PFR: 20.93, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 44)
          BTN: 111.3 BB (VPIP: 32.26, PFR: 14.52, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 62)
          SB: 99 BB (VPIP: 51.04, PFR: 22.41, 3Bet Preflop: 4.21, Hands: 244)
          Hero (BB): 100 BB

          SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

          Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9 K Q 9

          UTG calls 1 BB, fold, fold, SB raises to 4 BB, Hero calls 3 BB, UTG calls 3 BB

          Flop: (12 BB, 3 players) 4 J T
          SB bets 11.4 BB, Hero raises to 45.6 BB, fold, SB raises to 95 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 49.4 BB

          Turn: (202 BB, 2 players) J

          River: (202 BB, 2 players) K

          Spoiler:


          The SB, from this hand, is really bad, especially post-flop. I have a lot of reasons to believe they will be leading here very lightly. I am only slightly worried about UTG, as they have been seeing nearly every flop but folding unless they hit. I suppose that I should have considered that I would be pot committed no matter what after a raise. I raise suspecting that SB might spaz out with a random hand, and when UTG folds then SB moves in, I think I have to call (although I don't like the possible flush draw being out there).

          Note: I probably wouldn't raise against most players. I would prefer to call and see a turn, as my hand isn't really that strong and it is further weakened by the clubs.
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          Old 07-13-2017, 06:08 AM   #7094
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          PokerStars - $0.05 PL Hi FAST (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
          Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

          Hero (BTN): 164.6 BB
          SB: 165.8 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 10)
          BB: 106.4 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
          UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 65.22, PFR: 30.43, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 23)
          MP: 118.2 BB
          CO: 535.6 BB (VPIP: 37.74, PFR: 15.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 53)

          SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

          Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 9 K Q 3

          fold, MP raises to 3.4 BB, fold, Hero calls 3.4 BB, SB calls 3 BB, fold

          Flop: (11.2 BB, 3 players) T J 3
          SB checks, MP checks, Hero bets 7.2 BB, SB calls 7.2 BB, MP calls 7.2 BB

          Turn: (32.8 BB, 3 players) 2
          SB checks, MP bets 28 BB

          Hero?

          no reads with that samlesize
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          Old 07-19-2017, 08:42 PM   #7095
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          Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

          Anyone know what in general a fold to 3b after opening % should look like for a winning PLO player? I think I have been calling way too often after doing some database review
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          Old 08-16-2017, 04:35 PM   #7096
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          I know I should avoid pre...to not put myself in such a spot...but do we jam the flop as its likely to hit our range from the button than the original raiser. I was concerned about the cold caller....also, do we ever fold the turn??


            Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
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            Hero (SB): $9.90 (99 bb)
            BB: $4.15 (41.5 bb)
            UTG: $10 (100 bb)
            MP: $10 (100 bb)
            CO: $27.48 (274.8 bb)
            BTN: $29.38 (293.8 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is SB with K 7 8 J
            UTG folds, MP raises to $0.30, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1, BB calls $0.90, MP calls $0.70

            Flop: ($3) 6 5 3 (3 players)
            Hero checks, BB checks, MP bets $2.87, Hero calls $2.87, BB calls $2.87

            Turn: ($11.61) Q (3 players)
            Hero checks, BB checks, MP bets $6.13 and is all-in, Hero calls $6.03 and is all-in, BB calls $0.28 and is all-in

            River: ($23.95) 8 (3 players, 3 are all-in)

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            Old 08-18-2017, 09:02 PM   #7097
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            I know I should avoid pre...to not put myself in such a spot...but do we jam the flop as its likely to hit our range from the button than the original raiser. I was concerned about the cold caller....also, do we ever fold the turn??
            seems like you're thinking about this in a way that doesn't make sense.

            either
            a) you're 3betting wayyy too wide vs. an EP open if you actually hit this board frequently enough to have it hit your range more than EP's
            or
            b) you're confusing what your SB 3bet range looks like vs. your SB cold calling range against an EP open

            and yea just fold pre, this shouldn't be in your 3bet range (you're behind a decent EP opening range, amongst other reasons not to 3bet), and calling this from the SB is probably losing money too
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            Old 08-25-2017, 05:26 PM   #7098
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            just fold the flop, harvard. pre is whatever.

            i'm thinking it's bad specifically for you because of how you played post and that you are not used to these marginal situations.
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            Old 08-30-2017, 05:07 PM   #7099
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            Have villain marked as fishy which made me want to call soooo bad

            partypoker - $1 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
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            UTG: 199.95 BB (VPIP: 33.85, PFR: 19.07, 3Bet Preflop: 7.02, Hands: 3,023)
            MP: 190.5 BB (VPIP: 39.23, PFR: 20.03, 3Bet Preflop: 5.50, Hands: 3,245)
            CO: 110.73 BB (VPIP: 33.71, PFR: 19.83, 3Bet Preflop: 7.73, Hands: 2,784)
            BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 33.46, PFR: 18.84, 3Bet Preflop: 7.33, Hands: 2,977)
            SB: 164.49 BB (VPIP: 34.73, PFR: 18.50, 3Bet Preflop: 6.09, Hands: 2,569)
            Hero (BB): 182.52 BB

            SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

            Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K 3 Q 5

            fold, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 0.5 BB, Hero raises to 3 BB, SB calls 2 BB

            Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) 8 3 3
            SB checks, Hero bets 2.95 BB, SB calls 2.95 BB

            Turn: (11.9 BB, 2 players) T
            SB checks, Hero bets 7 BB, SB calls 7 BB

            River: (25.9 BB, 2 players) 7
            SB bets 18.45 BB, fold

            SB wins 43.06 BB
            Rake paid 1.29 BB
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            Old 08-31-2017, 10:27 AM   #7100
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            Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

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            Have villain marked as fishy which made me want to call soooo bad

            partypoker - $1 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
            Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

            UTG: 199.95 BB (VPIP: 33.85, PFR: 19.07, 3Bet Preflop: 7.02, Hands: 3,023)
            MP: 190.5 BB (VPIP: 39.23, PFR: 20.03, 3Bet Preflop: 5.50, Hands: 3,245)
            CO: 110.73 BB (VPIP: 33.71, PFR: 19.83, 3Bet Preflop: 7.73, Hands: 2,784)
            BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 33.46, PFR: 18.84, 3Bet Preflop: 7.33, Hands: 2,977)
            SB: 164.49 BB (VPIP: 34.73, PFR: 18.50, 3Bet Preflop: 6.09, Hands: 2,569)
            Hero (BB): 182.52 BB

            SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

            Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K 3 Q 5

            fold, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 0.5 BB, Hero raises to 3 BB, SB calls 2 BB

            Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) 8 3 3
            SB checks, Hero bets 2.95 BB, SB calls 2.95 BB

            Turn: (11.9 BB, 2 players) T
            SB checks, Hero bets 7 BB, SB calls 7 BB

            River: (25.9 BB, 2 players) 7
            SB bets 18.45 BB, fold

            SB wins 43.06 BB
            Rake paid 1.29 BB
            what hands do we beat that he c/c's 2 streets with and fires into us on this river? sure, it might be an occasional (or not so occasional) brainfart driving him to do this with 4 bananas, but calling here seems spew imo.
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