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Good overpair+KFD, I'd have to think any line leading to a fold on this pretty safe flop must be bad. If he has the only hand you really fear (QQQ+AFD), I don't see why he would try to raise you off the side pot.
If you think you must fold this (the SPR is not really high anymore even though you started deep), the only option I can think of is check-jam. But as played, I'd still gii... you have AA+hearts sometimes or QQxx once in a blue moon, this is the next hand in line, plenty of times to fold worse hands than this, IMHO.

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08-16-2014 , 12:49 PM

#6602

sauhund

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 5,936

surely it has been answered anywhere else, but help a stat noob out. whats an average winrate from the blinds in 6max?

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08-18-2014 , 08:55 PM

#6603

J0hny

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 6,456

some1 folds otr?
villain is the reason im at the table, seen do some weird stuff and light AIs
very weird if he has fuller there, hmzz
also, what about my overall line

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi $0.10 Ante - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

CO: $54.67
BTN: $122.55
SB: $258.94
BB: $125.00
UTG: $174.85
Hero (MP): $208.31

Pre Flop: ($1.35) Hero is MP with A

UTG raises to $2.35, Hero calls $2.35, CO calls $2.35, 2 folds, BB calls $1.85

Flop: ($10.25) T

(4 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $9.79, Hero raises to $25, CO folds, BB folds, UTG calls $15.21

Turn: ($60.25) 3

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $29, UTG calls $29

River: ($118.25) T

(2 players)
UTG bets $115.75, Hero calls $115.75

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08-19-2014 , 03:01 AM

#6604

Jabonator

nice piano there

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 13,289

For the love of god, bet bigger on the turn. And as he's the mark, iso pre. He's made a really weird line, but tough to see him being bluffing here, unless he's a total ******. Guess he has KT, which was scared of a set and decided to call down after raised, but then shoves when he fills up and only loses to KK, hoping to get a big bet out of 77.

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08-19-2014 , 07:41 AM

#6605

IIIIIII

centurion

Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 178

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Originally Posted by J0hny

UTG raises to $2.35, Hero calls $2.35, CO calls $2.35, 2 folds, BB calls $1.85

Flop: ($10.25) T

(4 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $9.79, Hero raises to $25, CO folds, BB folds, UTG calls $15.21

Turn: ($60.25) 3

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $29, UTG calls $29

River: ($118.25) T

(2 players)
UTG bets $115.75, Hero calls $115.75

villains line is just so weird that nothing makes sense, J0hny what did he show u?

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08-19-2014 , 08:34 AM

#6606

J0hny

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 6,456

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Originally Posted by Jabonator

Thx, yea agree with all. Working on iso etc, 6max game is in baby shoes.

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Originally Posted by IIIIIII

villains line is just so weird that nothing makes sense, J0hny what did he show u?

KT.
Now that I think, it actually makes sense. Considering hes image, he might of thought that if I have KK (unlikely since I didn't iso pre) he will lose it anyway, but I might call that river with all my range, just b/c it doesn't make much sense at first sight. Tbh, I think he didn't think any of that and was just clicking buttons, can't expect and thought process like that from a random donk.

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08-19-2014 , 10:04 AM

#6607

Ph33roX

old hand

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,285

Yea I think people play KT this way more often than you think. And when the board pairs after our perceived range has tons of sets in it (fish see it that way for sure when you raise flop and barrel), I really think we're "protected" from getting bluffed and can safely fold and not feel too bad about it, especially when we block all the draws and none of the good stuff

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08-21-2014 , 03:21 AM

#6608

hurtNCYDE

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Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 2,358

correct flop raise and turn fold? I'm assuming this player was more of a reg than a complete fish.

Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #29812711

Hero (BTN): $2.55 (127.5 bb)
SB: $2.11 (105.5 bb)
BB: $2.01 (100.5 bb)
UTG: $4.30 (215 bb)
MP: $2.96 (148 bb)
CO: $2.40 (120 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 9

UTG raises to $0.06, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.06, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.15) 9

(2 players)
UTG bets $0.12, Hero raises to $0.34, UTG calls $0.22

Turn: ($0.83) Q

(2 players)
UTG bets $0.80, Hero folds

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08-21-2014 , 06:06 AM

#6609

Ph33roX

old hand

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,285

PokerStars - $0.50 PL Hi FAST (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 135.96 BB
SB: 121.48 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
BB: 115.34 BB (VPIP: 27.27, PFR: 24.24, 3Bet Preflop: 10.53, Hands: 35)
UTG: 349.78 BB (VPIP: 26.32, PFR: 15.79, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)
MP: 193.96 BB (VPIP: 39.99, PFR: 27.41, 3Bet Preflop: 12.55, Hands: 1,441)
Hero (CO): 159.74 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 6

fold, MP raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 10.5 BB, BTN calls 10.5 BB, fold, fold, MP calls 7.5 BB

Flop: (33 BB, 3 players) Q

MP checks, Hero bets 18 BB

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08-21-2014 , 07:13 PM

#6610

mecantplay

temp-banned

Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 1,524

@hurtNCYDE
If utg have big pfr its ok to call but in general its not good with ur hand. As played its ok.

@Ph33roX
Nice 3 bet. Its c/f for me coz u r vs 2. If u were vs 1 its easly cont bet.

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08-26-2014 , 06:56 AM

#6611

Ph33roX

old hand

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,285

Is this going too thin on the river? Turn barrel OK?

Villain is a rec who plays 37/5 preflop, hasn't been out of line potsflop.

PokerStars - $0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 167.68 BB (VPIP: 39.06, PFR: 25.52, 3Bet Preflop: 10.71, Hands: 193)
BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 21.00, PFR: 15.50, 3Bet Preflop: 8.03, Hands: 10,485)
Hero (SB): 101.3 BB
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 17.49, PFR: 12.66, 3Bet Preflop: 5.59, Hands: 889)
MP: 209.84 BB (VPIP: 35.64, PFR: 3.96, 3Bet Preflop: 2.08, Hands: 101)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K

fold, MP calls 1 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 4 BB, fold, MP calls 3 BB

Flop: (9 BB, 2 players) Q

Hero bets 5.5 BB, MP calls 5.5 BB

Turn: (20 BB, 2 players) 9

Hero bets 13 BB, MP calls 13 BB

River: (46 BB, 2 players) K

Hero bets 22.5 BB

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08-26-2014 , 07:23 AM

#6612

Handel3

stranger

Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ph33roX

Is this going too thin on the river? Turn barrel OK?

I would like a smaller value bet here that trips cant get away

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08-26-2014 , 08:47 AM

#6613

guimz

old hand

Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 1,285

Ph33roX good value bet river

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08-26-2014 , 03:44 PM

#6614

POPEYE81

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 528

PokerStars - $0.05 PL Hi FAST (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 380.2 BB (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, Hands: 52)
SB: 162.2 BB (VPIP: 16.81, PFR: 7.08, 3Bet Preflop: 4.26, Hands: 118)
BB: 150.4 BB (VPIP: 29.17, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)
UTG: 407.6 BB (VPIP: 32.14, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 28)
Hero (MP): 268.8 BB
CO: 892.2 BB (VPIP: 28.99, PFR: 21.01, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 241)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A

fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, BTN raises to 10.4 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 7.4 BB

Flop: (22.2 BB, 2 players) T

Hero checks, BTN bets 21.4 BB, Hero calls 21.4 BB

Turn: (65 BB, 2 players) 8

Hero checks, BTN bets 46.8 BB, Hero calls 46.8 BB

River: (158.6 BB, 2 players) 3

Hero checks, BTN bets 101.2 BB, Hero asks 2+2 whats best

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08-26-2014 , 05:33 PM

#6615

Handel3

stranger

Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4

As played without reads i would fold. Imo fold pf to 3-bet with deepstacks oop and a marginal hand.

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08-27-2014 , 07:31 AM

#6616

helloklitty

newbie

Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 29

fold to 3bet vs tight 3bettor
no problem with open-folding that either, deep

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08-27-2014 , 11:02 AM

#6617

WittyName26

adept

Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 940

@POPEYE81 fold to the 3-bet for sure, and I agree w/ helloklitty that you can prob just toss that hand in the deadwood pre without having a suited ace

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08-27-2014 , 05:43 PM

#6618

guimz

old hand

Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 1,285

No Reads

Do you shove here or just flat?

PokerStars - €1 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 60.35, PFR: 7.49, 3Bet Preflop: 0.85, Hands: 230)
UTG: 229.26 BB (VPIP: 28.04, PFR: 15.42, 3Bet Preflop: 8.74, Hands: 216)
MP: 105.55 BB (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
CO: 205.94 BB
Hero (BTN): 211.51 BB
SB: 30.89 BB (VPIP: 25.64, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 8.70, Hands: 39)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J

fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB, SB raises to 13 BB, fold, CO calls 10 BB, Hero calls 10 BB

Flop: (40 BB, 3 players) 6

SB bets 17.89 BB and is all-in, CO calls 17.89 BB, Hero ???

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08-28-2014 , 03:32 AM

#6619

Jabonator

nice piano there

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 13,289

Flat. Shove if shallower.

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08-28-2014 , 06:11 AM

#6620

helloklitty

newbie

Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 29

always 3bet that hand pre-flop vs CO raise, call a 4bet, then shove that flop

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08-28-2014 , 06:16 AM

#6621

guimz

old hand

Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 1,285

BB is a huge fish. I wanted to let him join the party with my very good multiway hand

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09-03-2014 , 08:45 AM

#6622

Ph33roX

old hand

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,285

Villain is a 56/13 fish, no signs of him being out of line. I'm not sure about the turn check, we often has the best hand but not too many worse hands are calling. How about river?

PokerStars - $0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 100.5 BB (VPIP: 55.28, PFR: 10.56, 3Bet Preflop: 6.12, Hands: 163)
BB: 202.66 BB (VPIP: 54.18, PFR: 39.08, 3Bet Preflop: 12.61, Hands: 374)
Hero (BTN): 222.58 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 4

Hero raises to 2.22 BB, SB calls 1.72 BB, fold

Flop: (5.44 BB, 2 players) 6

SB checks, Hero bets 2.6 BB, SB calls 2.6 BB

Turn: (10.64 BB, 2 players) 9

SB checks, Hero checks

River: (10.64 BB, 2 players) K

SB bets 10.16 BB, Hero raises to 33.02 BB, SB raises to 95.68 BB and is all-in, fold

SB wins 73.68 BB

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09-03-2014 , 10:20 AM

#6623

guimz

old hand

Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 1,285

I think turn check is alright as you have the flush draw. villain might be trapping and he could also have got there with his straight draws and you don't have to protect from much at all...
on the river I guess it's safe to say that it's beaten by every full house that 3B that river.
Only hand that makes sense is KK and as you block one it really really sucks.
I wouldn't mind having AF Afreq of villain on the river even if it is a small sample.

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09-03-2014 , 11:35 AM

#6624

pasita

adept

Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,101

I think I'd like a turn bet. You're never getting raised by worse, IMO, and villain will have to fold some equity often. If he raises a straight and you have to fold, good for him.

I'm not raising the river as played (which might be wrong, dunno), there aren't too many worse hands he can call with.

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09-03-2014 , 09:12 PM

#6625

bartolomeus

veteran

Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 3,220

9k hands, 40 buyins under. pretty much getting abused by the deck, bricking every 3/4b pot, losing 90% of my 80/20 on the turn.

Dont think i was ever down that much in so few hands.

Should i tighten up my range? I normaly play loose.

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