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03-25-2014 , 04:27 PM
Is this a fold PF? Vilain Unknow.

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players - View hand 2461224
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BTN: $16.60
SB: $12.23
BB: $11.38
UTG: $18.50
Hero (MP): $13.04
CO: $6.65

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP with K Q 5 A
UTG calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.45, CO raises to $1.60, 5 folds
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03-26-2014 , 02:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wicketh
Is this a fold PF? Vilain Unknow.

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players - View hand 2461224
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BTN: $16.60
SB: $12.23
BB: $11.38
UTG: $18.50
Hero (MP): $13.04
CO: $6.65

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP with K Q 5 A
UTG calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.45, CO raises to $1.60, 5 folds
no way imo, but i could even be convinced otherwise... dang shortstacks!!
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03-27-2014 , 05:34 PM

What does Hero do? Is it easy call or maybe easy fold?

Villain: Vacum, no reads, but we have played together ca 10 hands. He doesnt re-load and hes from United Arab Emirates.




$2/$4 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
6 Players

Stacks:
UTG ($407.46) 102bb
UTG+1 ($400) 100bb
CO ($400) 100bb
hotcocaEST (BTN) ($400) 100bb
SB ($162) 41bb
BB ($400) 100bb

Pre-Flop: ($6, 6 players) hotcocaEST is BTN 10 10 K J
UTG calls $4, UTG+1 raises to $16, 1 fold, hotcocaEST calls $16, SB calls $14, 1 fold, UTG calls $12

Flop: 4 2 9 ($68, 4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, hotcocaEST bets $48, SB folds, UTG calls $48, UTG+1 folds

Turn: 10 ($164, 2 players)
UTG checks, hotcocaEST bets $118, UTG calls $118

River: 8 ($400, 2 players)
UTG goes all-in $225.46, Hero ?!?!?
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03-28-2014 , 02:41 AM
On one hand, it's not a good spot for him to bluff, but I can't fold this, at least not with a blocker, vs an unknown.
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03-28-2014 , 04:00 AM
I'd prolly check this flop....is that ok? I can understand the dynamic being slightly different at PLO400 than micros, but i doubt anyone will draw to non-nut clubs 4 way, 2 pair is unlikely and therefore any action we get will be polarized towards Acxcxx and sets. If the board were 729 then I like betting more.

River looks pretty standard - price is just too good to make a hero fold.
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03-28-2014 , 05:04 AM
Please any Input on stats after logging 10k hands; Had some run good I know.






Trying to get to plo5 as soon as posible.
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03-29-2014 , 07:52 AM
vacuum basically, seems fishy tho

Poker Stars $50.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players
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BTN/SB: $75.17
Hero (BB): $51.25

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with A A 4 7
BTN/SB raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $4.50, BTN/SB calls $3

Flop: ($9.00) T 7 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $7.50, BTN/SB calls $7.50

Turn: ($24.00) K (2 players)
Hero ?
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03-31-2014 , 12:32 PM
b19$/c.
might call with draw or raise with two pairs which you do okay against.
may fold one pair or even 72. I like to bet here and not folding if raised.
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04-01-2014 , 04:45 AM
Thx, most people I discused that hand with had the same opinion.
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04-01-2014 , 11:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigErf
Meh, is this too nitty a fold?

Merge - $0.25 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: $25.92
MP: $43.40
Hero (CO): $39.96
BTN: $22.16
SB: $6.61
BB: $36.59

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has 8 7 9 A

fold, MP calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.10, fold, SB calls $1.00, BB calls $0.85, MP calls $0.85

Flop: ($4.40, 4 players) 7 Q 7
SB checks, BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $3.00, fold, fold, MP calls $3.00

Turn: ($10.40, 2 players) A
MP checks, Hero bets $7.50, MP raises to $32.90, fold

When I bet out $7.50 on the turn a thought came up that I'd fold if I got raised (assuming pottish sized raise). Villian and I have played a bit together and although I can't believe he would raise me here without queens full I guess I'm still not sure. The other scenario is that he's jamming sevens full of queens because he thought I turned flush and bet it. That seems like a bit of a misstep by him though and I think he was playing better than that.

I feel good about the fold but I'm just wondering if all you guys are like, "Oh no man, you gotta get in there"...?


tight range for vilain...
NB: I discarded AA because of PF action and because it's one combo
GII.
ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
251,400 trials (Exhaustive)
board: 77QA
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
7c8h9hAc47.42% 86,91164,586
QQ,Q7,A752.58% 99,90364,586
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04-02-2014 , 03:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by niniw9fjv89
Please any Input on stats after logging 10k hands; Had some run good I know.






Trying to get to plo5 as soon as posible.
you can play much more hands from CO, BTN, BB. aim to stats like 24/16 and 3bet around 5%, that gives a good start to loosen it up a bit, you play very tight atm, which might work at the lowest stakes, but gets increasingly harder to turn a profit when you move higher and play as tight as you now do.

also aim to 65-70% fold vs steal on BB, you give up your blinds way too easy.

good luck.
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04-03-2014 , 11:45 AM
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PL Omaha $0.25(BB) Replayer
Hero ($25)
BB ($53.38)
UTG ($27.02)
UTG+1 ($30.10)
CO ($23.70)
BTN ($23.50)

Dealt to Hero A A 8 9

fold, fold, CO raises to $0.75, fold, Hero raises to $2.50, BB calls $2.25, CO calls $1.75

FLOP ($7.50) J 4 5

Hero...

.... bet call or check fold?
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04-03-2014 , 04:16 PM
Elrazor I usually c/f against 2 opponents.

What do you guys think of that line?
I need 42% eq to get it in profitably but I have only 37% versus a made flush.
Vilain is a bad reg I guess. VP32/PFR15/CBET50.
Do you think I have enough FE to make this raise profitable?

Winamax - €1 PL Hi (5 max) - Omaha - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: €100.00
Hero (UTG): €139.82
CO: €474.35
BTN: €127.05
SB: €100.00

SB posts SB €0.50, BB posts BB €1.00

Pre Flop: (€1.50) Hero has Q Q 9 A

Hero raises to €3.00, fold, BTN calls €3.00, fold, BB raises to €12.50, Hero calls €9.50, BTN calls €9.50

Flop: (€38.00, 3 players) 5 Q 2
BB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets €21.00, fold, Hero raises to €101.00, BTN raises to €114.55 and is all-in, Hero calls €13.55

Spoiler:

Turn: (€267.10, 2 players) 7

River: (€267.10, 2 players) Q

BTN shows J K 9 T (Flush, King High) (Pre 45%, Flop 63%, Turn 75%)
Hero shows Q Q 9 A (Four of a Kind, Queens) (Pre 55%, Flop 37%, Turn 25%)
Hero wins €264.10
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04-06-2014 , 09:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Elrazor
Meh. Is there a rule of thumb as to how much you should call off when in these spots? i felt it was close to a fold, but not quite.

People calling or folding here, and if folding, what odds do you need to call??

Villain was a tag, bet river 40%.

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PL Omaha $0.25(BB) Replayer
SB ($25)
BB ($82.73)
UTG ($11.10)
UTG+1 ($16.09)
CO ($46.50)
Hero ($31.52)

Dealt to Hero 5 7 A 6

fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.50, fold, Hero calls $0.50, SB calls $0.40, fold

FLOP ($1.75) 4 9 3

SB bets $1.26, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls $1.26

TURN ($4.27) 4 9 3 7

SB bets $3.07, Hero raises to $13.30, SB calls $10.23

RIVER ($30.87) 4 9 3 7 6

SB bets $9.94 (AI), Hero calls $9.94

Hero shows 5 7 A 6
(Pre 38%, Flop 37.3%, Turn 75.0%)

SB shows J J T A
(Pre 62%, Flop 62.7%, Turn 25.0%)

SB wins $48.75
Probably need very good pot odds to call here, its just way too likely villain
has a flush draw, very hard for him to have bluffs besides two pair but those usually have a flush draw as well. Probably close to 15% if I had to guess off the top of my head.
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04-06-2014 , 09:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Elrazor
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PL Omaha $0.25(BB) Replayer
Hero ($25)
BB ($53.38)
UTG ($27.02)
UTG+1 ($30.10)
CO ($23.70)
BTN ($23.50)

Dealt to Hero A A 8 9

fold, fold, CO raises to $0.75, fold, Hero raises to $2.50, BB calls $2.25, CO calls $1.75

FLOP ($7.50) J 4 5

Hero...

.... bet call or check fold?
Definitely too much equity to b/f vs one player, I would probably bet something like 5.5 and fold if both players jam, call vs one. Too much equity imo to even consider c/fing. If positions were slightly different I would consider check/something but given the BB has to worry about the CO still, you force BB to fold some hands that have significant equity vs you.
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04-06-2014 , 09:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by guimz
Elrazor I usually c/f against 2 opponents.

What do you guys think of that line?
I need 42% eq to get it in profitably but I have only 37% versus a made flush.
Vilain is a bad reg I guess. VP32/PFR15/CBET50.
Do you think I have enough FE to make this raise profitable?

Winamax - €1 PL Hi (5 max) - Omaha - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: €100.00
Hero (UTG): €139.82
CO: €474.35
BTN: €127.05
SB: €100.00

SB posts SB €0.50, BB posts BB €1.00

Pre Flop: (€1.50) Hero has Q Q 9 A

Hero raises to €3.00, fold, BTN calls €3.00, fold, BB raises to €12.50, Hero calls €9.50, BTN calls €9.50

Flop: (€38.00, 3 players) 5 Q 2
BB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets €21.00, fold, Hero raises to €101.00, BTN raises to €114.55 and is all-in, Hero calls €13.55

Spoiler:

Turn: (€267.10, 2 players) 7

River: (€267.10, 2 players) Q

BTN shows J K 9 T (Flush, King High) (Pre 45%, Flop 63%, Turn 75%)
Hero shows Q Q 9 A (Four of a Kind, Queens) (Pre 55%, Flop 37%, Turn 25%)
Hero wins €264.10
Why would you want FE with top set? Seems like a simple call and play poker. Its definitely more awkward as villain probably won't make too many mistakes on later streets and we might but should be enough to make calling more +EV unless I am missing something.
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04-07-2014 , 03:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Djross13
Definitely too much equity to b/f vs one player, I would probably bet something like 5.5 and fold if both players jam, call vs one. Too much equity imo to even consider c/fing. If positions were slightly different I would consider check/something but given the BB has to worry about the CO still, you force BB to fold some hands that have significant equity vs you.
Yeah, this was my thinking.

Incidentally, once the action came back to me i had 32% equity, and pot odds of 31% against a pair, wrap and flush draw which aside from sets is the top of his range.

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PL Omaha $0.25(BB) Replayer
Hero ($25)
BB ($53.38)
UTG ($27.02)
UTG+1 ($30.10)
CO ($23.70)
BTN ($23.50)

Dealt to Hero A A 8 9

fold, fold, CO raises to $0.75, fold, Hero raises to $2.50, BB calls $2.25, CO calls $1.75

FLOP ($7.50) J 4 5

Hero bets $6, BB raises to $25.18, CO folds, Hero calls $16.50 (AI)

TURN ($52.50) J 4 5 2

RIVER ($52.50) J 4 5 2 J

Hero shows A A 8 9
(Pre 58%, Flop 31.7%, Turn 50.0%)

BB shows 8 7 6 4
(Pre 42%, Flop 68.3%, Turn 50.0%)

Hero wins $50.50
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04-08-2014 , 09:42 PM
Hi, guys.
Created a thread with a hand from $215 FTOPs in HSPLO.
I guess it has borderline buy-in between 2 forums, so I posted there, but would certainly appreciate your feedback too.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/15...-spot-1433195/
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04-09-2014 , 07:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Elrazor
Yeah, this was my thinking.

Incidentally, once the action came back to me i had 32% equity, and pot odds of 31% against a pair, wrap and flush draw which aside from sets is the top of his range.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $0.25(BB) Replayer
Hero ($25)
BB ($53.38)
UTG ($27.02)
UTG+1 ($30.10)
CO ($23.70)
BTN ($23.50)

Dealt to Hero A A 8 9

fold, fold, CO raises to $0.75, fold, Hero raises to $2.50, BB calls $2.25, CO calls $1.75

FLOP ($7.50) J 4 5

Hero bets $6, BB raises to $25.18, CO folds, Hero calls $16.50 (AI)

TURN ($52.50) J 4 5 2

RIVER ($52.50) J 4 5 2 J

Hero shows A A 8 9
(Pre 58%, Flop 31.7%, Turn 50.0%)

BB shows 8 7 6 4
(Pre 42%, Flop 68.3%, Turn 50.0%)

Hero wins $50.50
Thing is you don't make fold alot of had with decent eq. I'm pretty sure any J will flat and 2 pairs or pair with draw or big draws raise here. And in the end you manage to get 22.5$ on the flop to win a 50.5$ pot. so for your bet/call strategy you need 45% eq. even if assuming you get a FE of 4$. it's not a winning move.
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04-09-2014 , 04:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by guimz
Thing is you don't make fold alot of had with decent eq. I'm pretty sure any J will flat and 2 pairs or pair with draw or big draws raise here. And in the end you manage to get 22.5$ on the flop to win a 50.5$ pot. so for your bet/call strategy you need 45% eq. even if assuming you get a FE of 4$. it's not a winning move.
Not sure where you are getting your numbers esp the 45% eq. Checking flop would be really terrible, the only very strong hands on this texture are combo draws, and sets. Sets are extremely discounted, besides JJ. J4,J5 and 45 are also very discounted. Given that we rarely have horrible equity/the best hand, not to mention the fact we have two back door draws, and plenty of hands have equity against us, even a naked 4 has around 40% equity, folding that equity is extremely useful and it completes takes away the disadvantage of being OOP. We also deny a free card and force both villains for a decision for their stack, making the first player to act after hero make a lot of folds that he should not make it if the pot was HU.
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04-14-2014 , 01:10 PM
villain plays 91/21 1.8 af over 166 hands

1st hand

    $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    BTN: $63.45 (126.9 bb)
    SB: $397.11 (794.2 bb)
    Hero (BB): $50.85 (101.7 bb)
    MP: $30.58 (61.2 bb)
    CO: $67.08 (134.2 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with K 8 T A
    3 folds, SB raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $4.50, SB calls $3

    Flop: ($9) A 8 9 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $6.50, SB raises to $28.50, Hero raises to $46.35 and is all-in, SB calls $17.85

    Turn: ($101.70) A (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    River: ($101.70) T (2 players, 1 is all-in)


    2 hand

    vs nit/tag 18/12 3-b 9.9 cbet 80 over 160 hands

      $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      Hero (BTN): $50.50 (101 bb)
      SB: $55.15 (110.3 bb)
      BB: $50 (100 bb)
      MP: $54.87 (109.7 bb)
      CO: $50 (100 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q J K 3
      2 folds, Hero raises to $1.25, SB folds, BB raises to $4, Hero calls $2.75

      Flop: ($8.25) 5 T J (2 players)
      BB bets $6.50, Hero raises to $27.75, BB raises to $46 and is all-in, Hero calls $18.25

      Turn: ($100.25) 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
      River: ($100.25) 3 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
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      04-14-2014 , 06:32 PM
      @cocktails: hand 1 is fine as it is vs a 91/21 he might have A9xx in his range but most of the tons of draws

      Hand2 I would actually fold as you say he is a nit and he might take you away a ton of outs due to the spade flushdraw and some Axxx or even AAxx

      Just my opinion, gl
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      04-15-2014 , 07:38 PM
      Hey ,
      How would you play this hand

      I got AKQ5 (button) ace suited
      Preflop raise and call , i call too

      Flop 1$ pot (3way) Q - 5 - 8

      The raiser checks , 2. Checks too , i bet potsize, the raiser raise the pot 3$
      I got Nut Flush Draw + Two pair , reraise all in he calls with QQ

      What u think...
      Tell me please
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      04-23-2014 , 04:18 PM
      PLO10, readless, 5-handed

      Stacksizes : BTN ($8.85), I cover

      Hero opens AhKhQT to 30c utg, CO/BTN/BB call, $1.25 pot to flop

      Flop : 4hTsKd. BB Checks, Hero bets pot, BTN only caller. $3.75 pot, BTN has $7.30 behind

      Turn : 7s. Hero?

      Also, any great ss PLO videos I can look at? I've read Hwang's books, but I'm still super raw and too tight/passive
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      04-23-2014 , 04:19 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Palamiino
      Hey ,
      How would you play this hand

      I got AKQ5 (button) ace suited
      Preflop raise and call , i call too

      Flop 1$ pot (3way) Q - 5 - 8

      The raiser checks , 2. Checks too , i bet potsize, the raiser raise the pot 3$
      I got Nut Flush Draw + Two pair , reraise all in he calls with QQ
      Looks fine to me.
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