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04-07-2013 , 05:48 PM
What do you think about this play?
Call pre-flop because if we hit the flop, we hit it most of the times pretty hard vc range of vallain's open UTG (like broadways, AAxx, KKxx)
I did not raise on flop because there are not a lot of terrible turns for me.
I donk flop because you see that in most of the times on these stakes people give up after a c-bet if they missed. So it was a valuebet on turn.
Fold river because in my mindset this was for sure a riverred flush

Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players - View hand 2169739
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $0.59
SB: $3.21
Hero (BB): $2.68
UTG: $3.14
MP: $2.16
CO: $2.00

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BB with 4 5 4 6
UTG raises to $0.06, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.13) 3 4 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.09, Hero calls $0.09

Turn: ($0.31) A (2 players)
Hero bets $0.28, UTG calls $0.28

River: ($0.87) K (2 players)
Hero bets $0.34, UTG raises to $1.86, Hero folds
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04-07-2013 , 06:44 PM
i just fold pre, you'll be dominated so often. oop might be better to check raise flop instead of having to donk the turn
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04-07-2013 , 09:00 PM
yea, thats a fold pre, especially vs a UTG-open
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04-09-2013 , 05:51 PM
Poker Stars $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 4 players - View hand 2171806
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Hero (SB): $201.00
BB: $200.00
CO: $367.68
BTN: $209.04

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is SB with 9 J J K
2 folds, Hero raises to $6, BB raises to $18, Hero calls $12

Flop: ($36.00) 3 8 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $25, [color=red]Hero ?


What's best here? Vs standard reg 7% 3b
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04-11-2013 , 10:15 AM
what is your play on the flop?
Running it through PPT we have ~ 44% vs top 2 and ~31% vs sets and are in good shape against lower raps, so is a stack off okay?

OnGame - $0.15 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (CO): $23.04
BTN: $7.92 (VPIP: 75.00, PFR: 18.75, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 16)
SB: $11.25 (VPIP: 46.53, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 101)
BB: $16.83 (VPIP: 27.85, PFR: 17.72, 3Bet Preflop: 5.49, Hands: 237)
UTG: $29.92 (VPIP: 36.09, PFR: 26.21, 3Bet Preflop: 18.27, Hands: 557)
MP: $24.72 (VPIP: 39.57, PFR: 11.51, 3Bet Preflop: 1.32, Hands: 139)

SB posts SB $0.15, BB posts BB $0.15

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.30) Hero has K K T 2

fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.60, BTN calls $0.60, fold, BB calls $0.45

Flop: ($1.95, 3 players) 4 J Q
BB checks, Hero bets $1.05, fold, BB raises to $3.60, Hero raises to $12.75, BB raises to $16.23 and is all-in, Hero calls $3.48

Turn: ($34.41, 2 players) 4

River: ($34.41, 2 players) T
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04-15-2013 , 12:06 PM
Hi,
My first post here

Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

CO: $4.09
BTN: $2.40
SB: $4.93
BB: $0.78
Hero (UTG): $1.24

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG with Q 5 5 A
Hero calls $0.02, 2 folds, SB raises to $0.06, BB calls $0.04, Hero calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.18) 6 K 7 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.18) J (3 players)
SB bets $0.10, BB folds, Hero raises to $0.47, SB calls $0.37

River: ($1.12) 7 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.71 all in, SB calls $0.71

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $2.54
SB shows Ks Kd Ad Jd (a full house, Kings full of Sevens)
Hero shows Qc 5h 5d Ac (a flush, Ace high)
SB wins $2.45
(Rake: $0.09)



How careful are you when the board pairs?
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04-15-2013 , 02:29 PM
Live 2/5, we're playing 6 or 7 handed at this point.

an older nit reg (~$500) opens to 25 after a limper in EP I flat on the button w/QhTd9d5h, both blinds and limper calls, everyone has $400-600, i cover.

flop ($100) Th7d2d, checks to reg who pots. I call and sb calls. Turn is a 2, checks through, river is a diamond, checks through.


I think my hand is playable on the button against a tight opening range (AA w/at least one suit, and broadway hands). Table dynamics are such that most players will call one bet preflop with anything they think is playable (suited aces, any hand with wrap potential, most double suited hands, and pairs like dry JJ). After thinking about the hand i think the best play would be to 3bet small to $50 or $55 to isolate because my hand plays better HU IP than multiway.

On the flop I was unsure how to proceed with three players still to act behind. I'm in bad shape against AA+nfd but a favorite against dry AA so HU I can repot and get it in comfortably but multiway I wasn't sure. I suppose jamming wouldn't be a huge mistake since stacks aren't deep. $400 is a big bet in live poker and most players in the pool come from holdem and aren't willing to put in large amount of money on draws so I may be able to push out better draws than mine.


ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
3,720 trials (Exhaustive)
board: 976
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
QhTd9d5h34.84% 1,2960
AdAsQdJh65.16% 2,4240

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
3,720 trials (Exhaustive)
board: 976
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
QhTd9d5h34.84% 1,2960
AdAsQdJh65.16% 2,4240

This plo game is new at my casino is part of a 2/5 RxR game. Am I on the right track in my thinking?
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04-15-2013 , 09:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TakVifte
Hi,
My first post here

Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

CO: $4.09
BTN: $2.40
SB: $4.93
BB: $0.78
Hero (UTG): $1.24

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG with Q 5 5 A
Hero calls $0.02, 2 folds, SB raises to $0.06, BB calls $0.04, Hero calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.18) 6 K 7 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.18) J (3 players)
SB bets $0.10, BB folds, Hero raises to $0.47, SB calls $0.37

River: ($1.12) 7 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.71 all in, SB calls $0.71

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $2.54
SB shows Ks Kd Ad Jd (a full house, Kings full of Sevens)
Hero shows Qc 5h 5d Ac (a flush, Ace high)
SB wins $2.45
(Rake: $0.09)



How careful are you when the board pairs?
bet the flop for value!
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04-16-2013 , 01:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dadude
bet the flop for value!
I agree.
Thanks!
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04-16-2013 , 01:16 AM
as played though I think not much you can do. nh and move on
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04-17-2013 , 01:38 PM
Hi guys, no reads on villain

I think it's a leak of mine betting with marginal hands and stacking off in spots like this one. Because we never have really good equtiy against anything here?

I don't know what I dislike most aboout this hand, the flopbet or the stackoff afterwards? Could be better to checkback more marginal hands like this one.

and, we had 45% equity against villain


    Poker Stars, $0.50/$1, $0.20 ante Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #17075461

    SB: $110.74 (110.7 bb)
    BB: $95.32 (95.3 bb)
    UTG: $116.66 (116.7 bb)
    MP: $328.06 (328.1 bb)
    Hero (CO): $191.24 (191.2 bb)
    BTN: $342.69 (342.7 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with 8 T 9 Q
    UTG folds, MP raises to $4.70, Hero calls $4.70, BTN folds, SB calls $4.20, BB folds

    Flop: ($16.30) 4 6 T (3 players)
    SB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $12, SB raises to $41, MP folds, Hero raises to $138.57, SB calls $64.84

    Turn: ($227.98) 4 (2 players)
    River: ($227.98) 6 (2 players)

    Results: $227.98 pot ($2.80 rake)
    Final Board: 4 6 T 4 6
    SB showed 6 J A 3 and won $225.18 ($114.44 net)
    MP mucked and lost (-$4.90 net)
    Hero showed 8 T 9 Q and won $0.00 (-$110.74 net)



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    04-17-2013 , 06:29 PM
    3 bet pre.
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    04-17-2013 , 07:51 PM
    usually i 3bet this hand, just decided to flat this time
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    04-18-2013 , 10:36 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Hjalarljod
    Hi guys, no reads on villain

    I think it's a leak of mine betting with marginal hands and stacking off in spots like this one. Because we never have really good equtiy against anything here?

    I don't know what I dislike most aboout this hand, the flopbet or the stackoff afterwards? Could be better to checkback more marginal hands like this one.

    and, we had 45% equity against villain


      Poker Stars, $0.50/$1, $0.20 ante Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #17075461

      SB: $110.74 (110.7 bb)
      BB: $95.32 (95.3 bb)
      UTG: $116.66 (116.7 bb)
      MP: $328.06 (328.1 bb)
      Hero (CO): $191.24 (191.2 bb)
      BTN: $342.69 (342.7 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is CO with 8 T 9 Q
      UTG folds, MP raises to $4.70, Hero calls $4.70, BTN folds, SB calls $4.20, BB folds

      Flop: ($16.30) 4 6 T (3 players)
      SB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $12, SB raises to $41, MP folds, Hero raises to $138.57, SB calls $64.84

      Turn: ($227.98) 4 (2 players)
      River: ($227.98) 6 (2 players)

      Results: $227.98 pot ($2.80 rake)
      Final Board: 4 6 T 4 6
      SB showed 6 J A 3 and won $225.18 ($114.44 net)
      MP mucked and lost (-$4.90 net)
      Hero showed 8 T 9 Q and won $0.00 (-$110.74 net)



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      I think this is a good flop to checkback on,, we really hate to get c/r since we are drawing thin against villains GII range here (sets,pair+bigger flushdraws)
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      04-18-2013 , 03:05 PM
      @ Purevida-
      Quote:
      After thinking about the hand i think the best play would be to 3bet small to $50 or $55 to isolate because my hand plays better HU IP than multiway.
      Yeah or fold. Depends on how you feel about the dangler and how well the other players play.
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      04-18-2013 , 05:55 PM
      maybe off topic here but dont wanna start my own thread. from what stakes is run it twice available in plo@stars?
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      04-18-2013 , 08:48 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Travbana
      I think this is a good flop to checkback on,, we really hate to get c/r since we are drawing thin against villains GII range here (sets,pair+bigger flushdraws)
      yea thanks, guess its quite obvious when we think about it a little.
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      04-20-2013 , 05:33 AM
      Standard check on river?

        Party, $0.02/$0.04 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #17115851

        BB: $4.17 (104.3 bb)
        SB: $3.81 (95.3 bb)
        Hero (BTN): $4.29 (107.3 bb)
        MP: $5.18 (129.5 bb)
        CO: $3.97 (99.3 bb)
        UTG: $4.92 (123 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is BTN with T K K 9
        UTG calls $0.04, MP calls $0.04, CO calls $0.04, Hero calls $0.04, SB completes, BB checks

        Flop: ($0.24) 2 7 K (6 players)
        SB checks, BB bets $0.11, 2 folds, CO calls $0.11, Hero raises to $0.67, SB folds, BB calls $0.56, CO folds

        Turn: ($1.69) 3 (2 players)
        BB checks, Hero bets $1.20, BB calls $1.20

        River: ($4.09) 7 (2 players)
        BB checks, Hero bets $2.38 and is all-in




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        Last edited by Fishtankz; 04-20-2013 at 05:47 AM.
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        04-20-2013 , 06:04 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by HamSellerSamHeller
        maybe off topic here but dont wanna start my own thread. from what stakes is run it twice available in plo@stars?
        http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/products/run-it-twice/
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        04-20-2013 , 07:51 AM
        Villain 78/4 over 23 hands.
        I don't like this move a lot since i have no draws, just counting on my overpair + blocker K. But is it ok vs this fishy player?

        PartyGaming - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
        Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

        SB: 51.2 BB (VPIP: 78.26, PFR: 4.35, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 23)
        BB: 123.8 BB (VPIP: 38.46, PFR: 11.54, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 26)
        UTG: 37.9 BB (VPIP: 26.67, PFR: 5.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 60)
        Hero (CO): 123.4 BB
        BTN: 134.4 BB (VPIP: 18.81, PFR: 13.86, 3Bet Preflop: 8.70, Hands: 101)

        SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

        Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A K A Q

        fold, Hero raises to 3.5 BB, fold, SB raises to 6 BB, fold, Hero raises to 19 BB, SB calls 13 BB

        Flop: (39 BB, 2 players) K 5 8
        SB checks, Hero bets 37.1 BB, SB calls 32.2 BB and is all-in
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        04-20-2013 , 09:37 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by Fishtankz
        Standard check on river?

          Party, $0.02/$0.04 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #17115851

          BB: $4.17 (104.3 bb)
          SB: $3.81 (95.3 bb)
          Hero (BTN): $4.29 (107.3 bb)
          MP: $5.18 (129.5 bb)
          CO: $3.97 (99.3 bb)
          UTG: $4.92 (123 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is BTN with T K K 9
          UTG calls $0.04, MP calls $0.04, CO calls $0.04, Hero calls $0.04, SB completes, BB checks

          Flop: ($0.24) 2 7 K (6 players)
          SB checks, BB bets $0.11, 2 folds, CO calls $0.11, Hero raises to $0.67, SB folds, BB calls $0.56, CO folds

          Turn: ($1.69) 3 (2 players)
          BB checks, Hero bets $1.20, BB calls $1.20

          River: ($4.09) 7 (2 players)
          BB checks, Hero bets $2.38 and is all-in




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          Standard value bet.
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          04-20-2013 , 09:39 AM
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by Fishtankz
          Villain 78/4 over 23 hands.
          I don't like this move a lot since i have no draws, just counting on my overpair + blocker K. But is it ok vs this fishy player?

          PartyGaming - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
          Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

          SB: 51.2 BB (VPIP: 78.26, PFR: 4.35, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 23)
          BB: 123.8 BB (VPIP: 38.46, PFR: 11.54, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 26)
          UTG: 37.9 BB (VPIP: 26.67, PFR: 5.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 60)
          Hero (CO): 123.4 BB
          BTN: 134.4 BB (VPIP: 18.81, PFR: 13.86, 3Bet Preflop: 8.70, Hands: 101)

          SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

          Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A K A Q

          fold, Hero raises to 3.5 BB, fold, SB raises to 6 BB, fold, Hero raises to 19 BB, SB calls 13 BB

          Flop: (39 BB, 2 players) K 5 8
          SB checks, Hero bets 37.1 BB, SB calls 32.2 BB and is all-in
          SPR = 1. Standard.
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          04-20-2013 , 10:39 AM
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by LazurusLong2
          Standard value bet.
          Do we need to worry about 77? I put him on a set when he called those 2 big bets. 22 K2 K7 and even 27 is possibility.
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          04-20-2013 , 11:33 AM
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by Fishtankz
          Do we need to worry about 77? I put him on a set when he called those 2 big bets. 22 K2 K7 and even 27 is possibility.
          so there's one combo of 77 in his range that beats you and a lot of combos that you beat and he won't fold on river. easy maths --> shovel all day long.


          edit: the word combo is used here because of my lack of a better word. obv there's lots of 77xx, but that's not the point as there are lots of K7xx, 72xx and 22xx too.
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          04-22-2013 , 04:34 AM
          opp is on the agro side, cbetting most of the time, less often on turn.

          1. How do u like turning our hand into a bluff here?
          2. how would u place all options to each other: call/ raise / fold ?


          Full Tilt - $1 PL Hi (2 max) - Omaha Hi - 2 players
          Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

          BB: $134.40 (VPIP: 78.26, PFR: 72.46, 3Bet Preflop: 42.42, Hands: 72)
          Hero (SB): $217.00

          Hero posts SB $0.50, BB posts BB $1.00

          Pre Flop: (pot: $1.50) Hero has T Q 8 4

          Hero raises to $3.00, BB raises to $9.00, Hero calls $6.00

          Flop: ($18.00, 2 players) A 2 Q
          BB bets $16.00, Hero ?
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