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03-14-2013 , 03:01 PM
villain is unknown, ok to get in this flop? I fell I have too many non nuts outs, but at this limit I also don't fell I could fold here.(I'm only loosing to dominant draws right?)
btw, does the double suit makes it ok to raise pf from UTG with the top gap?

    Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    BTN: $1.71 (85.5 bb)
    SB: $1.98 (99 bb)
    BB: $1.86 (93 bb)
    Hero (UTG): $2.17 (108.5 bb)
    MP: $14.09 (704.5 bb)
    CO: $2.18 (109 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8 J 9 6
    Hero raises to $0.07, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.07, SB calls $0.06, BB calls $0.05

    Flop: ($0.28) T 7 Q (4 players)
    SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.27, BTN folds, SB raises to $1.08, BB folds, Hero raises to $2.10 and is all-in, SB calls $0.83 and is all-in

    Turn: ($4.10) 2 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
    River: ($4.10) A (2 players, 2 are all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: $4.10 pot ($0.14 rake)
    Final Board: T 7 Q 2 A
    BTN mucked and lost (-$0.07 net)
    SB showed T A 6 7 and lost (-$1.98 net)
    BB mucked and lost (-$0.07 net)
    Hero showed 8 J 9 6 and won $3.96 ($1.98 net)
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    03-16-2013 , 11:40 AM
    WTF, dude? There´s only one guy left, please get this in in a hurry without even thinking about it. This hand is too pretty not to open UTG, even with a top gap. It makes up for this downside by providing these kind of sick flops from time to time

    ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
    1,675,260 trials (Exhaustive)
    board: T7Q
    Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
    8sJs6c9c54.68% 910,25411,648
    QQxx45.32% 753,35811,648

    Enough said!
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    03-16-2013 , 04:48 PM
    Had villain exactly where I wanted him preflop. Had been 3-betting him quite often in position and knew he was the kind of player, who´d play back at me some time...
    Question: Do we EVER fold here with SPR of 3/4??
    I had my hand pretty much on the call button before flop was even dealt, so I didn´t even consider folding. Thinking about it, i´m not 100% sure. This flop obviously sucks as hell. Hits his range like 99% of the time. I guess, we are drawing slim many times, but we only need 30% to call. Just wanted to make sure I can always stack off in this situation, no matter which flop...


      Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10, $0.02 ante Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #16530021

      SB: $25 (250 bb)
      Hero (BB): $48.10 (481 bb)
      MP: $26.16 (261.6 bb)
      CO: $22.94 (229.4 bb)
      BTN: $16.83 (168.3 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with A Q 4 A
      3 folds, SB raises to $0.40, Hero raises to $1.20, SB raises to $3.70, Hero raises to $10, SB calls $6.30

      Flop: ($20.10) J Q T (2 players)
      SB bets $14.98 and is all-in, Hero calls $14.98

      Turn: ($50.06) 6 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
      River: ($50.06) 5 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

      Spoiler:
      Results: $50.06 pot ($1.50 rake)
      Final Board: J Q T 6 5
      SB showed A 2 K 5 and won $48.56 ($23.56 net)
      Hero showed A Q 4 A and lost (-$25 net)



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      03-17-2013 , 02:48 AM
      Opponent was pretty splashy/aggro, advice on all streets appreciated although I imagine PF/Flop are potentially debatable but not all that interesting.

      Was a bit lost on turn due to stack sizes. I think it's a decent idea to have nut(ty) hands in our range here against a player like this, but is this board a bit too dangerous/coordinated to do it on? I assume it's more correct w/o the club redraw.

      River was instantly potted, like the bet was out before the card hit the table as if it didn't matter if it was the 8s or 2h.

      Bovada Pot-Limit Omaha, $0.10 BB (3 handed) - Bovada Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

      Hero (BB) ($31.06)
      Button ($14.29)
      SB ($31.90)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with 10, 7, A, 8
      1 fold, SB calls $0.05, Hero bets $0.30, SB calls $0.20

      Flop: ($0.60) 6, 9, 3 (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $0.50, SB raises to $2.10, Hero calls $1.60

      Turn: ($4.80) 10 (2 players)
      SB bets $4.80, Hero calls $4.80

      River: ($14.40) 8 (2 players)
      SB bets $14.40
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      03-18-2013 , 06:42 AM
      Just a quick checkup: Almost never folding to a three bet after opening at micro tables, does that sound just about right?
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      03-18-2013 , 09:22 AM
      well, often that doesnt depend on your hand only but if you have position on 3bettor!
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      03-18-2013 , 09:36 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Spenda
      Opponent was pretty splashy/aggro, advice on all streets appreciated although I imagine PF/Flop are potentially debatable but not all that interesting.

      Was a bit lost on turn due to stack sizes. I think it's a decent idea to have nut(ty) hands in our range here against a player like this, but is this board a bit too dangerous/coordinated to do it on? I assume it's more correct w/o the club redraw.

      River was instantly potted, like the bet was out before the card hit the table as if it didn't matter if it was the 8s or 2h.

      Bovada Pot-Limit Omaha, $0.10 BB (3 handed) - Bovada Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

      Hero (BB) ($31.06)
      Button ($14.29)
      SB ($31.90)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with 10, 7, A, 8
      1 fold, SB calls $0.05, Hero bets $0.30, SB calls $0.20

      Flop: ($0.60) 6, 9, 3 (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $0.50, SB raises to $2.10, Hero calls $1.60

      Turn: ($4.80) 10 (2 players)
      SB bets $4.80, Hero calls $4.80

      River: ($14.40) 8 (2 players)
      SB bets $14.40
      Raising turn so we can get stacks in by the river. If he also has a straight it's likely your free-rolling him and a club on the river might kill your action.

      As played snapping off river and feeling good about it. River only completes unlikely KQ.
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      03-18-2013 , 09:45 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by WrapItUp
      Had villain exactly where I wanted him preflop. Had been 3-betting him quite often in position and knew he was the kind of player, who´d play back at me some time...
      Question: Do we EVER fold here with SPR of 3/4??
      I had my hand pretty much on the call button before flop was even dealt, so I didn´t even consider folding. Thinking about it, i´m not 100% sure. This flop obviously sucks as hell. Hits his range like 99% of the time. I guess, we are drawing slim many times, but we only need 30% to call. Just wanted to make sure I can always stack off in this situation, no matter which flop...


        Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10, $0.02 ante Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #16530021

        SB: $25 (250 bb)
        Hero (BB): $48.10 (481 bb)
        MP: $26.16 (261.6 bb)
        CO: $22.94 (229.4 bb)
        BTN: $16.83 (168.3 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is BB with A Q 4 A
        3 folds, SB raises to $0.40, Hero raises to $1.20, SB raises to $3.70, Hero raises to $10, SB calls $6.30

        Flop: ($20.10) J Q T (2 players)
        SB bets $14.98 and is all-in, Hero calls $14.98

        Turn: ($50.06) 6 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
        River: ($50.06) 5 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

        Spoiler:
        Results: $50.06 pot ($1.50 rake)
        Final Board: J Q T 6 5
        SB showed A 2 K 5 and won $48.56 ($23.56 net)
        Hero showed A Q 4 A and lost (-$25 net)



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        I think you pretty much have to stack off here with a gutter to go with your overpair. Stack off ranges are so wide that it's difficult not to have 30%.

        fwiw - Players calling 4bets with A high is pretty much $$$ in the bank
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        03-18-2013 , 09:48 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by AnfieldRoad
        Just a quick checkup: Almost never folding to a three bet after opening at micro tables, does that sound just about right?
        No.

        You have to think about opponents 3b range and how well your hand does vs that range. Here is a clip from an article written by Quadrophobia. I highly reccomend his website:- http://quadrophobia.com/

        "Many of the regulars at SSPLO and MSPLO will have 3-5% 3bet ranges from the blinds against CO (and many even BT) opens. You aren’t being clever when you flat JT92 against such a range, you’re being an idiot. Unless you have observed that said regular’s range consists of all Aces and all Kings (and is thus very easy to play against) your opponent’s range is going to be too strong for this to be a profitable defend at 100BB stacks. A range of {Strong Aces, premium Kings, strong suited 4-card rundowns, 4 broadway cards} makes 5% of starting hands which connect very well with many flops. Furthermore, if we invert our perspective, we know our opponent wants us to call weak hands against such a range. He only 3-bets 5% because he wants to play big pots with big hands; don’t give him that pleasure and you take his most profitable hands out of the game.

        On a separate note, if you defend your button opens with horrific hands like AQ72ss or K873ss you are throwing money at a competent opponent. Check your database to see how often you are playing fit/fold after defending a marginal hand, you may be surprised."

        Nuff Said
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        03-18-2013 , 09:13 PM
        hmm good post i need to think about that more often
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        03-19-2013 , 06:30 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by bompter
        No.

        You have to think about opponents 3b range and how well your hand does vs that range. Here is a clip from an article written by Quadrophobia. I highly reccomend his website:- http://quadrophobia.com/

        "Many of the regulars at SSPLO and MSPLO will have 3-5% 3bet ranges from the blinds against CO (and many even BT) opens. You aren’t being clever when you flat JT92 against such a range, you’re being an idiot. Unless you have observed that said regular’s range consists of all Aces and all Kings (and is thus very easy to play against) your opponent’s range is going to be too strong for this to be a profitable defend at 100BB stacks. A range of {Strong Aces, premium Kings, strong suited 4-card rundowns, 4 broadway cards} makes 5% of starting hands which connect very well with many flops. Furthermore, if we invert our perspective, we know our opponent wants us to call weak hands against such a range. He only 3-bets 5% because he wants to play big pots with big hands; don’t give him that pleasure and you take his most profitable hands out of the game.

        On a separate note, if you defend your button opens with horrific hands like AQ72ss or K873ss you are throwing money at a competent opponent. Check your database to see how often you are playing fit/fold after defending a marginal hand, you may be surprised."

        Nuff Said
        N1
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        03-22-2013 , 06:33 AM
        Zoom hand: These are std bet/get ins?

        [converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #16624261

        BTN: $100 (100 bb)
        Hero (SB): $284.82 (284.8 bb)
        BB: $465.82 (465.8 bb)
        UTG: $124.03 (124 bb)
        MP: $209.29 (209.3 bb)
        CO: $105.70 (105.7 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is SB with 2 Q K Q
        3 folds, BTN raises to $2.50, Hero raises to $8.50, BB folds, BTN calls $6

        Flop: ($18) 3 4 9 (2 players)
        Hero bets $9, BTN raises to $44.19
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        03-24-2013 , 11:19 AM
        Ongame Network $0.10/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
        BB: $8.08
        UTG: $3.71
        MP: $3.40
        CO: $27.74
        BTN: $6.17
        Hero (SB): $25.39

        BB posts a big blind ($0.10)

        Pre Flop: ($0.20) Hero is SB with A 3 4 A
        UTG calls $0.10, 1 fold, CO raises to $0.50, BTN calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.40, BB raises to $2.60, 1 fold, CO calls $2.10, BTN calls $2.10, Hero raises to $13.10, BB calls $5.48 all in, CO calls $10.50, BTN calls $3.57 all in

        Flop: ($40.55) 5 7 6 (4 players - 2 are all in)
        Hero bets $12.29 all in

        All super standard?
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        03-24-2013 , 12:01 PM
        looks great
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        03-26-2013 , 07:55 PM
        did i size this wrong? is my check call on the river the right play? villian is a reg fish who loves the call btn which is why i kept my bet sizes smaller with such a dominating hand

        888 Poker - $2 PL Hi - Omaha - 4 players
        Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

        Hero (SB): $357.81
        BB: $384.36
        UTG: $235.79
        BTN: $193.80

        Hero posts SB $1.00, BB posts BB $2.00

        Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero has 8 Q A J

        UTG raises to $5.25, fold, Hero raises to $17.75, fold, UTG calls $12.50

        Flop: ($37.50, 2 players) A 4 7
        Hero bets $20.00, UTG calls $20.00

        Turn: ($77.50, 2 players) J
        Hero bets $42.00, UTG calls $42.00

        River: ($161.50, 2 players) 6
        Hero checks, UTG bets $156.04, Hero calls $156.04

        Spoiler:
        Hero shows 8 Q A J (Two Pair, Aces and Jacks) (Pre 54%, Flop 74%, Turn 78%)
        UTG shows Q 5 K 3 (Straight, Seven High) (Pre 46%, Flop 26%, Turn 23%)
        UTG wins $471.08
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        03-27-2013 , 12:11 AM
        New(ish) opponent, he can bluff monotone boards (I caught him once). He just won a medium sized pot where I c/c'd flop, led turn, and c/f'd river once flush completed. I believe this might be just his 2nd 3bet in like ~25 hands.

        Hand is on Bovada so I'll recreate as best I can

        Hero (SB) $12.50
        Villian (BB) $13.50

        Dealt to Hero A 2 J 8

        Hero raises to $.30, BB raises to $.90, Hero calls $.60

        Flop ($1.80) J 5 5
        BB bets $1.80, Hero raises to $4.18, BB calls $2.38

        Turn ($10.16) A
        BB timebank checks, Hero?

        His flop range feels more like KK/QQ or some other Jxxx hand with diamonds. I guess it could include some bad 5x hands but I really expect them to ship.
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        03-27-2013 , 01:23 PM
        Your analysis looks good.

        Vs KK QQ Jdd we only get one more street of value and we can pick off river bluffs. I think check behind and call a bet and vb if checked to is pretty good. Obvs reads depend on how he plays trips. If he can fold bare trips then just barrel the bastard. So much bare $$$$$$$$ :P I think
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        03-29-2013 , 12:35 PM
        Sry if these are superstandard hands, just want to get confirmation on these because I could have massive flaws in my thought processes.

        Hand 1, unknown villain

        PokerStars Zoom Pot-Limit Omaha, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

        Button ($8.47)
        SB ($10.78)
        BB ($13.47)
        UTG ($10.91)
        MP ($14.04)
        Hero (CO) ($21.39)

        Preflop: Hero is CO with Q, K, J, 9
        1 fold, MP calls $0.10, Hero bets $0.40, 2 folds, BB calls $0.30, MP calls $0.30

        Flop: ($1.25) 9, 10, 9 (3 players)
        BB bets $0.60, MP calls $0.60, Hero raises to $2.20, 1 fold, MP raises to $4.20, Hero folds, wp?

        He can basically only ever have TTxx here, right?


        Hand 2, everyone is basically a fish

        PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha, $0.10 BB (7 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

        saw flop | saw showdown

        Hero (SB) ($10)
        BB ($16.26)
        UTG ($10)
        MP1 ($4.42)
        MP2 ($10)
        CO ($10)
        Button ($34.14)

        Preflop: Hero is SB with A, 2, A, 9
        UTG bets $0.35, MP1 calls $0.35, 1 fold, CO calls $0.35, Button calls $0.35, Hero raises to $2.20, 1 fold, UTG calls $1.85, MP1 calls $1.85, CO calls $1.85, Button calls $1.85

        Flop: ($11.10) 10, 5, 4 (5 players)
        Hero bets $7.80 (All-In), wp?

        Flop should be superstandard, since our AA is probably best some % of the time and we have nut fd+wheeldraw, but is pre fine? We create a bad SPR for ourselves and possibly have to check-fold on lots of flops, is the squeeze still good?


        Hand 3: villain is 90/0, really passive pre and loose postflop.

        PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha, $0.10 BB (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

        saw flop | saw showdown

        SB ($2.90)
        Hero (BB) ($35.22)
        UTG ($12.69)
        UTG+1 ($20.19)
        MP1 ($3.28)
        MP2 ($3.98)
        CO ($10)
        Button ($15.05)

        Preflop: Hero is BB with 5, A, K, J
        1 fold, UTG+1 bets $0.35, 3 folds, Button calls $0.35, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.25

        Flop: ($1.10) J, 10, 2 (3 players)
        Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, Button bets $0.80, Hero calls $0.80, 1 fold

        Turn: ($2.70) K (2 players)
        Hero checks, Button bets $2.58, Hero raises to $10.32, wp?
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        03-29-2013 , 12:39 PM
        Hand 1 - Yeah this is mostly TTxx though sometimes T9xx and also sometimes though rarely 9xxx. Folding is probably fine, though it feels gross. I probably just flat the flop.

        Hand 2 - 100% standard both pf and flop.

        Hand 3 - I would 3bet pre with a hand this premium, though if UTG+1 has a very tight raising range then flatting is fine. Flop/turn is good.
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        03-30-2013 , 05:51 AM
        what do we think about turn raise size in 3, seems like we could be better off raising small and jamming pretty much every non board pairing river if BTN flats?
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        03-31-2013 , 08:35 AM
        raising smaller decreases our fold equity, and we dont mind him to fold. if we bet smaller inducing a shove we might be close to flipping
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        03-31-2013 , 03:49 PM
        This is 0.02/0.04 PLO btw

        No history with villains.

        Not sure wether leading out or c/r is better on the flop, could somebody tell me which is better and why?

        What do I do on the river? I shoved and hoped he would call with a lower flush, cause I didn't think c/f was the right play and because only boats are gonna shove when checked to.

        iPoker - $0.04 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 4 players
        Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

        CO: 97.5 BB
        BTN: 143.25 BB
        Hero (SB): 78.5 BB
        BB: 45 BB

        Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

        Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8 A Q J

        fold, BTN raises to 3.5 BB, Hero calls 3 BB, BB calls 2.5 BB

        Flop: (10.5 BB, 3 players) 5 9 Q
        Hero bets 5.25 BB, BB calls 5.25 BB, BTN calls 5.25 BB

        Turn: (26.25 BB, 3 players) 6
        Hero bets 25 BB, BB raises to 36.25 BB, BTN calls 36.25 BB, Hero calls 11.25 BB

        River: (135 BB, 3 players) 9
        Hero ?B

        Last edited by Riverdiver; 03-31-2013 at 04:02 PM.
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        04-01-2013 , 11:05 AM
        Regarding hand 3 of supervine, how about calling the turn instead? it feels like that villian will fold a lot of hands to our raise which wont have a lot of equity and might improve to the second best hand on the river or potentially bluf.
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        04-01-2013 , 01:10 PM
        River diver, why did you not shove that turn raise?
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        04-01-2013 , 04:27 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by BadAstronaut
        River diver, why did you not shove that turn raise?
        I couldn't, the allin was less than a minimum raise, so I couldn't reopen the action, I could only call
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