I misread the action on the turn, sry.

His flop bet size is probably something he's seen other players do. That is, when the flop is locked down then ppl bet half pot with both their nuts and their bluffs for balance. This isn't a good spot for it though and he really should be betting bigger.

On the turn he just wants to get the money in as fast as possible and he thinks a screwplay is the best way to do that. Turns out he was right

When someone takes the line villain took it's almost always the nuts.

I'm not sure you could play it any other way. You kinda have to bet the turn when checked to, after that it's just math.

Villain is 22/16 with a BTN 3Bet of 5% over 1.8k hands. BB is playing 40/19 over 43 hands. I think that in a vacuum I should not be raising here. Any argument against slowplaying?

$1 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: $228.31
BB: $76.65
Hero (UTG): $110.39
CO: $44.05
BTN: $114.00

SB posts SB $1.00, BB posts BB $1.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $2.00) Hero has 6 6 K K

Hero raises to $3.00, fold, BTN raises to $11.00, fold, BB calls $10.00, Hero calls $8.00

Flop: ($34.00, 3 players) 4 K 2
BB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $18.00, fold,

I peel here with a lot of stuff so i would call.

is this a 3b pf ? is the 4b call ok ?

iPoker - $0.20 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: $20.70
BB: $6.13
UTG: $56.73
Hero (BTN): $20.77

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.20

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.30) Hero has Q Q J J

UTG raises to $0.70, Hero raises to $2.40, fold, fold, UTG raises to $7.50, Hero calls $5.10

Flop: ($15.30, 2 players) 9 7 Q
UTG bets $15.30, Hero calls $13.27

Turn: ($41.84, 2 players) 9

River: ($41.84, 2 players) 8

3b depends on utg's stats, it's probably close but ok.

Call 4bet is std. Your hand has strong flopping potential and is easy to play.

wp

wtf

Wp.

disagree

both villans were fish. i guess 3ways its a nobrainer? how about HU if we bet and get c/r pot


Poker Stars $25.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with T 8 7 9
UTG raises to $0.75, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.75, BTN calls $0.75, SB calls $0.65, 1 fold

Flop: ($3.25) 7 A J (4 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50, BTN folds, SB raises to $13.39, UTG raises to $46.05, Hero calls $23.13 all in, SB calls $32.66

Turn: ($120.98) T (3 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($120.98) 3 (3 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $120.98
UTG mucks J A 8 J
Hero shows T 8 7 9
SB shows A A 8 K
Hero wins $78.29
(Rake: $1.75)

Annoying spot. It really depends on how tight they get it in postflop. If they get it in only with sets or KQT then you have 27.7% and need 29.5%ish so it's a tight fold. I doubt they're that tight tho so I would get it in.

A more interesting question is whether we should call the initial bet. Utg is betting into 3 people oop so he's probably strong, we're not closing the action, and our draw is pretty mediocre (6 outs to nuts and if we hit it puts a ton of redraws for the range of hands that continue after the flop. I think it's a fold, even with our two backdoor flushdraws (again non-nut).

...and here's why:

If you flat the 4bet and only get it in on the flop vs aces when you have enough equity you will make about 1bb (assuming my math is correct).

This however requires you to be able to perfectly estimate your equity on every flop. If you make any mistakes ever then this is a losing call.

On top of that, if there is even a 1% chance of villain 4-betting here without aces you're going to be making bad mistakes on some flops as well.

So calling is basically a breakeven decision if-and-only-if you play the flop perfectly. Folding costs you almost nothing and doesn't open you up to making mistakes. It also reduces your variance.

its not even close to well played.

Folding somewhat connected ds hands (even/specially A-high) to a 4bet this deep isn't on my playbook, but each for their own. If I'm not calling 4bet I'm not 3betting it oop, but that's like the only thing I might do differently sometimes compared to OP's line depending how fit or fold/float happy opponent is and so on..

What comes to those equity calculation I'm pretty sure you got it right from our part, but like always, it estimates that villain playes perfect post. There are still room for us to pick it up on some flops even if we miss.

what u do here

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $0.50(BB) Replayer
($66.95)
Hero ($69.13)

Dealt to Hero 5 K T K

Hero raises to $1.50, raises to $2.50, Hero raises to $7.50, calls $5

FLOP ($15) K 8 Q

checks, Hero bets $11.75, calls $11.75

TURN ($38.50) K 8 Q T

checks

We're 125bb effective.

Villain has 1.4psb on flop. You think he's ever not getting it in?

Yeah. Not ofter, but sometimes.

But more likely I think villain makes big mistakes when we hit big and that's how we justify calling pre. 17/10/4's are not the smartest ones.

e: And yes, I know that we don't hit that big equity very often, but I think OP is also good to play post in marginal spots, so I think calling pre is the right play in hes shoes.

i agree to some extend. both villains are fish and i guess ill be making (alot!) better decisions then them postflop. they won't put me in tought spots as maybe a good reg (which they are not many at this lvl) will do. Thanks for your input!

opener is 40/28 and overall bad. caller is a decent reg
what do you think about my 3bet at first. I wouldn't 3b without suited to the K. I just thought I'm ahead of his range and if I flop an fd I can manage to get it in really good against onepair+fd hands ect. The Kings are not thaaat good so is this maybe too loose?
Also what about postflop. I played it this way to induce either bluffs and/or get more action from weaker flushes. On river I doubt he would fold any flush with the odds he gets.

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

SB: $25.00
BB: $10.47
UTG: $25.70
MP: $30.72
Hero (CO): $52.12
BTN: $28.48

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with K 3 K 4
UTG raises to $0.85, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2.90, 1 fold, SB calls $2.80, 1 fold, UTG calls $2.05

Flop: ($8.95) 6 2 3 (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($8.95) 4 (3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $4, Hero calls $4, SB folds

River: ($16.95) J (2 players)
UTG bets $9.90, Hero raises to $45.22 all in, UTG calls $8.90 all in

Villain can't make a big mistake when we hit big. He has 1.4psb left. If he stacks off 100% he's pretty close to playing perfectly.

And what marginal spots are you talking about? We're either stacking off on the flop or we're not. We either have enough equity on the flop to stack off vs aces or we don't.

This situation really is as cut-n-dry as it comes. Our only chance at making any money here is to hope villain folds his equity and I don't think he will.

I meant fold to the initial post-flop bet, not to the preflop raise.

Stacking off 100 % with 1,4 SPR is far from perfect, thou profitable vs. most. With marginal spots I just meant those 1 p + 2bdfd type situations.

And like I wrote before, in my opinion villains (possible) incapability to fold post is our advantage.

10 hands on villain
60/50 AF:5
0% 3bet

Question is pre, and turn

^ looks good

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $0.50(BB) Replayer
($55.34)
Hero ($49.04)

Dealt to Hero 2 Q A 9

Hero raises to $1.50, calls $1

FLOP ($3) 8 6 4

checks, Hero bets $2, raises to $7.25, Hero calls $5.25

TURN ($17.50) 8 6 4 2

bets $13.12

seems like fold.. dont like how this hand played out tho, u really have to fold almost ur whole range here?

@funnybot (last hand). Def iso 3bet pre as the hand plays much better HU with SPR=4 than multiway with a bigger SPR and regs involved.

The flop check is good as you hate being c/r'ed. I can't say what cbet range is the best here - if it's only the straightflush, ace-high flushes, bare A, sets, two pairs or something else should be added (maybe straight blockers?). The problem is that this flop hardly hits preflop ranges, it's an air-vs-air game. Unfortunately Bugs has written nothing about this flop texture thought he promised I'm really lost here. But definitely small flushes are of medium value even if they have straightflush blockers - they have hardly any outs vs ace-high flushes.

The turn call is fine. I'm clueless how to construct the river shoving range, including K-high flushes there along with some baby flush bluffs and bluffcatching with Q-T-high flushes is fine imho (I haven't done the math ldo).

Pros please review funnybot's last hand, I'm lost on low monotone boards. Maybe even write a digest on this.

@myfight: well played.

@rza. As explained above for funnybot's spot, I'd prefer to check the flop and call him down. Calling his check/raise is just burning money if you're not ready to call the turn: you don't have outs vs his valuebet range.