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06-30-2012 , 05:38 PM
Ongame Network $25.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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SB: $69.21 - VPIP: 52, PFR: 7, 3B: 3, AF: 2.6, Hands: 132
BB: $36.73
UTG: $25.79
MP: $18.62 - VPIP: 58, PFR: 3, 3B: 1, AF: 0.9, Hands: 527
CO: $8.14
Hero (BTN): $25.00

Pre Flop: ($0.50) Hero is BTN with J 3 K J
1 fold, MP calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.25, SB calls $1, 1 fold, MP calls $1

Flop: ($4.00) 3 Q 9 (3 players)
SB bets $3.00, MP calls $3, Hero raises to $16, SB raises to $30, MP calls $14.37 all in, Hero calls $7.75 all in

Last edited by yarblek; 06-30-2012 at 06:02 PM.
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06-30-2012 , 06:11 PM
Ongame Network $25.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 4 players
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SB: $45.09
BB: $22.50 - VPIP: 54, PFR: 7, 3B: 3, AF: 3.1, Hands: 123
CO: $43.81 - VPIP: 58, PFR: 3, 3B: 1, AF: 0.9, Hands: 527
Hero (BTN): $55.19 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 10, 3B: 3, AF: 2.8, Hands: 64117

Pre Flop: ($0.50) Hero is BTN with 9 8 5 7
CO raises to $1, Hero calls $1, 1 fold, BB raises to $4.25, CO calls $3.25, Hero calls $3.25

Flop: ($13.00) 8 9 7 (3 players)
BB bets $13.00, CO calls $13, Hero folds
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07-01-2012 , 11:42 AM
Both villains are pretty maniacal. They're 3betting and calling 3bets with any old piece of crap. For some reason PT3 (trial version) isn't showing HUD stats but if memory serves they were over 50/40 with a high Afq.

PokerStars - $0.05 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $15.03
MP: $7.10
Hero (CO): $5.14
BTN: $5.20
SB: $7.12
BB: $24.07

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero has A 7 Q A

UTG raises to $0.17, MP calls $0.17, Hero raises to $0.75, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls $0.58, MP calls $0.58

Flop: ($2.32, 3 players) 2 6 3
UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets $1.60, UTG raises to $6.36, fold, Hero calls $2.79 and is all-in

Is this OK or should I be calling with my weak AAXX hands and set mining? I've just watched one of LearnedfromTV's PLO Fundamentals videos and he recommends calling with this type of hand.
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07-01-2012 , 11:42 AM
$1 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: $57.70
CO: $29.00
BTN: $180.00
SB: $254.03
BB: $103.05
Hero (UTG): $135.00

SB posts SB $1.00, BB posts BB $1.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $2.00) Hero has K K 3 Q

Hero raises to $3.00, fold, fold, fold, SB calls $2.00, BB calls $2.00

Flop: ($9.00, 3 players) 9 J Q
SB checks, BB checks, Hero

SB is 71/11 with an aggression frequency of 47 and a fold to cbet of 45 over 205 hands. BB is 21/10 with a fold to cbet of 43 and aggression frequency of 37 over 292 hands. I think both players aren't good, though SB is obviously easier to exploit.
Do you think you can profitably cbet here or do you check and play a turn?
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07-02-2012 , 07:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by IsaacAsimov
$1 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: $57.70
CO: $29.00
BTN: $180.00
SB: $254.03
BB: $103.05
Hero (UTG): $135.00

SB posts SB $1.00, BB posts BB $1.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $2.00) Hero has K K 3 Q

Hero raises to $3.00, fold, fold, fold, SB calls $2.00, BB calls $2.00

Flop: ($9.00, 3 players) 9 J Q
SB checks, BB checks, Hero

SB is 71/11 with an aggression frequency of 47 and a fold to cbet of 45 over 205 hands. BB is 21/10 with a fold to cbet of 43 and aggression frequency of 37 over 292 hands. I think both players aren't good, though SB is obviously easier to exploit.
Do you think you can profitably cbet here or do you check and play a turn?
The loose bad player probably won´t fold this flop or a turn barrel with draws. The tightish player probably calls one but would fold a lot of brick turns. I think a cbet is profitable because they will call with a lot´s of draws if the loose player folds you could triple barrel against the tight players with the blockers to the nut straight you have I think.
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07-02-2012 , 10:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aceinyourface
The loose bad player probably won´t fold this flop or a turn barrel with draws. The tightish player probably calls one but would fold a lot of brick turns. I think a cbet is profitable because they will call with a lot´s of draws if the loose player folds you could triple barrel against the tight players with the blockers to the nut straight you have I think.
Thanks for your input Ace, I felt similarly when reviewing this hand. We don't have a lot of immediate fold equity, but our hand plays well enough in position that it's probably ok to cbet.
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07-02-2012 , 11:19 AM
All players involved in the hand are loose and bad. The preflop aggressor is 57/14 with a cbet of 0 over 28 hands. In spots like these, do you see value in flatting to keep in dominated draws or do you play your hand aggressively to maximize your foldequity against hands that have decent equity against our hand, but not our range?

$1 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: $437.41
MP: $113.00
CO: $128.00
Hero (BTN): $162.95
SB: $97.00
BB: $74.00

SB posts SB $1.00, BB posts BB $1.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $2.00) Hero has T T 9 Q

fold, MP calls $1.00, fold, Hero raises to $4.00, SB calls $3.00, BB calls $3.00, MP calls $3.00

Flop: ($16.00, 4 players) 8 5 J
SB checks, BB checks, MP bets $12.00, Hero
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07-02-2012 , 01:19 PM
Call, you have no fold equity.
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07-02-2012 , 08:59 PM
I can't get away from this hand right?

Ongame Network $25.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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SB: $52.92 - VPIP: 33, PFR: 9, 3B: 7, AF: 1.0, Hands: 138
BB: $8.00 - VPIP: 43, PFR: 9, 3B: 0, AF: 1.8, Hands: 23
UTG: $33.50 - VPIP: 35, PFR: 8, 3B: 4, AF: 2.1, Hands: 383
Hero (MP): $30.25
CO: $30.61 - VPIP: 38, PFR: 23, 3B: 3, AF: 4.1, Hands: 1364
BTN: $23.71 - VPIP: 13, PFR: 7, 3B: 2, AF: 1.9, Hands: 2840

Pre Flop: ($0.50) Hero is MP with Q Q A 4
UTG raises to $0.50, Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, SB calls $1.75, 1 fold, UTG calls $1.50

Flop: ($6.25) T A 8 (3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $3.00, Hero raises to $15.25, SB folds, UTG raises to $31.50, Hero calls $13 all in
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07-03-2012 , 06:29 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimyF
Call, you have no fold equity.
You think villain is stacking off or not folding with his entire range? What about naked overpairs?
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07-03-2012 , 10:02 PM
villain is 50/7 over 15 hands or something. is this a standard cbet flop, c/f turn?


PokerStars - $0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: $186.00
BB: $51.34
UTG: $50.00
Hero (CO): $50.75
BTN: $35.85

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has 8 Q J 5

fold, Hero raises to $1.50, BTN calls $1.50, fold, BB calls $1.00

Flop: ($4.75, 3 players) 6 8 J
BB checks, Hero bets $3.40, BTN calls $3.40, fold

Turn: ($11.55, 2 players) 9
Hero checks, BTN bets $8.00, fold

BTN wins $11.03
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07-04-2012 , 12:37 AM
PokerStars - $0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $53.23
SB: $32.25
BB: $50.00
Hero (UTG): $126.44

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has 2 5 3 4

Hero raises to $1.50, fold, SB calls $1.25, BB calls $1.00

Flop: ($4.50, 3 players) 7 4 A
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $3.22, fold, BB raises to $12.24, Hero calls $9.02

Turn: ($28.98, 2 players) T
BB bets $22.76, fold

BB wins $27.68


villain is a 22/16/4 reg.

should i just fold the flop?
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07-04-2012 , 02:18 PM
check flop
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07-04-2012 , 02:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by napsus
check flop
and fold to a turn donk/bet if he checks again?
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07-05-2012 , 10:18 AM
i don't understand what you mean....i check the flop to get a free turn and try to bink a good card. some of your good cards make you a non-nut straight so you gotta proceed carefully on them.
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07-05-2012 , 07:43 PM
i mean if he bets the turn do you think the hand is good enough to call with or should i just fold?

and if he checks again on the turn would you then bet?
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07-07-2012 , 05:07 AM
Why check flop? We are not getting raised often
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07-07-2012 , 05:32 AM
so you wanna bloat the pot 3way with bottom pair and 3 nut outs?

sirin: on T turn facing a bet, i fold quickly. if flop checks through and if they check turn, you can take a stab sometimes. with you calling flop bet and it checks to you, i would check back for a free river
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07-07-2012 , 05:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by IsaacAsimov
Thanks for your input Ace, I felt similarly when reviewing this hand. We don't have a lot of immediate fold equity, but our hand plays well enough in position that it's probably ok to cbet.
Do you see SB's wide preflop range + high Af as a reason for or against a cbet? His stats indicate that h is likely to bet a lot of turns and rivers if we miss the flop cbet
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07-07-2012 , 04:54 PM
    Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    MP: $18.05 (180.5 bb)
    CO: $16.55 (165.5 bb)
    BTN: $9.44 (94.4 bb)
    Hero (SB): $11.79 (117.9 bb)
    BB: $10 (100 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with A K 3 A
    MP folds, CO calls $0.10, BTN calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.50, BB calls $0.40, CO calls $0.40, BTN calls $0.40

    Flop: ($2) 8 6 3 (4 players)
    Hero bets $1.40, BB calls $1.40, CO folds, BTN calls $1.40


    b/f or c/f flop vs. 4 people?
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    07-08-2012 , 04:27 AM
    Easy c/f imho. Too many people and too low stakes to pull out a naked ace bluff, the overpair+pair+backdoor is not good enough OOP.
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    07-08-2012 , 07:46 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by napsus
    so you wanna bloat the pot 3way with bottom pair and 3 nut outs?
    No that wouldn't be the primary aim of betting, rather one of the poorer possible outcomes that could occur. You phrase your response as though this is obviously the most likely oucome of a cbet.

    The scenario I am rooting for with a bet is to take down a small pot IP on a dry A high board that connects with our opening range, where they will CR infrequently, and have better draws to call with relatively infrequently. Did you mean that you think this is unlikely to be a common enough result to balance out the bad scenario of not getting folds oft not hitting ott?
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    07-08-2012 , 08:07 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by coon74
    Easy c/f imho. Too many people and too low stakes to pull out a naked ace bluff, the overpair+pair+backdoor is not good enough OOP.
    Btw is the raise pre even profitable with the SPR we will create? We have close to zero FE pre, We can't cbet bluff much on flop becuase of position and fact that we will frequently be 4 way, so are constrained to mostly betting for value post. Here, top set won't get paid often as that's the exact hand you will get put on, so we are relying on being able to brl 2p / NFD oop hoping one of them makes bad calls IP with worse?
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    07-08-2012 , 07:32 PM
      Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      SB: $13.54 (135.4 bb)
      BB: $13.44 (134.4 bb)
      MP: $22.50 (225 bb)
      CO: $13.02 (130.2 bb)
      Hero (BTN): $15.74 (157.4 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q K T 9
      MP raises to $0.35, CO calls $0.35, Hero calls $0.35, SB calls $0.30, BB folds

      Flop: ($1.50) T 5 J (4 players)
      SB checks, MP bets $1.10, CO folds, Hero calls $1.10


      SB is a fish. MP is nitty pre, don't know about post. Is it better to call here because our outs are nut and we bring in SB who is a fish, or raise here because our equity is great vs sets and we fold out AA/KK.
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      07-09-2012 , 10:59 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by vaJAZzled
      Do you see SB's wide preflop range + high Af as a reason for or against a cbet? His stats indicate that h is likely to bet a lot of turns and rivers if we miss the flop cbet
      I think his wide preflop range and his playing style works in our favour. When we bet our hand on the flop, we can often continue to bet for protection/value on certain turn run outs and our position enables us to play rivers well.
      I also think the SB will raise the flop with a reasonably strong range and not start jamming wide over our bet.
      I don't see villain leading the turn a lot when he is out of position in a 3-way situation.
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