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call turn? i have odds?

Poker Stars $0.50/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players
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BTN/SB: $188.50
Hero (BB): $141.50

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with 7

BTN/SB raises to $3, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($6.00) T

(2 players)
Hero bets $5, BTN/SB calls $5

Turn: ($16.00) 2

(2 players)
Hero bets $12, BTN/SB raises to $41, Hero $29 to call.

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09-24-2009 , 12:50 PM

#377

shoobri

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New to table, so no good reads on any players except for CO who has c/r raised the flop on last two orbits.

Is this hand to gappy to realistically hit and a leak to even consider playing it?

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Hero (SB): $54.75
BB: $65.35
UTG: $79.65
CO: $50.00
BTN: $28.10

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with 9

1 fold, CO raises to $1.75, BTN raises to $4.50, Hero calls $4.25, BB calls $4, CO raises to $22.50, BTN raises to $28.10 all in, Hero calls $23.60, BB calls $23.60, CO calls $5.60

Flop: ($112.40) T

(4 players - 1 is all in)
Hero bets $26.65 all in, BB calls $26.65, CO calls $21.90 all in

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09-24-2009 , 01:08 PM

#378

Tamtaram

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If you had position it would be okay to call the first time.

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09-24-2009 , 01:09 PM

#379

shoobri

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Originally Posted by 2+2=5

BTN/SB raises to $3, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($6.00) T

(2 players)
Hero bets $5, BTN/SB calls $5

Turn: ($16.00) 2

(2 players)
Hero bets $12, BTN/SB raises to $41, Hero $29 to call.

I think it's a fold here, if he has A3 that's now made, and if he has a flush greater than our queen then equity is further reduced. Also if Villain has waited for a safe turn before jamming a set of tens we're not in good shape either.

Last edited by shoobri; 09-24-2009 at 01:11 PM. Reason: .

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09-24-2009 , 01:12 PM

#380

Buck Duffy

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shoobri, you seem to have fallen off the rails a bit with that hand. Fold preflop from the SB, twice. I understand what you're thinking postflop, but it's probably better to actually check

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09-24-2009 , 01:53 PM

#381

black666

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Villain is 76/32. Is a ship on the turn correct or should I check and risk another scare card on the river?

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SB ($46.25)
BB ($50)
Hero ($82.50)
UTG+1 ($52.50)
CO ($51)
BTN ($10.95)

Dealt to Hero 5

Hero raises to $1.75, fold, fold, fold, SB calls $1.50, fold

FLOP ($4) A

SB bets $2, Hero raises to $10, SB calls $8

TURN ($24) A

SB checks, Hero bets $24, SB raises to $34.50 (AI), Hero calls $10.50

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09-24-2009 , 02:53 PM

#382

kisada

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SB ($50)
BB ($49.70)
UTG ($64.35)
UTG+1 ($101)
CO ($123)
Hero ($59.90)

Dealt to Hero 9

fold, fold, CO raises to $1.75, Hero raises to $6, fold, BB calls $5.50, CO calls $4.25

FLOP ($18.25) 5

BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $13.50, BB raises to $43.70 (AI), CO folds, Hero folds

BB wins $43.05

villain is 84/19/1.6 over 119 hands. CR's about 10%. fold good/bad here?

and how's 3-bet? CO was stealing 48% of the time so i was 3-betting him liberally.

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09-24-2009 , 03:43 PM

#383

seandigs

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line check? I'm new to plo so be brutal (but please explain why its stupid if it is) fwiw I think its a very standard hand, just want to be sure

villain is 49/8 or so
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BB: $10.00
UTG: $6.95
MP: $19.74
Hero (CO): $23.57
BTN: $10.00
SB: $16.87

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with Q

2 folds, Hero raises to $0.35, 1 fold, SB calls $0.30, BB calls $0.25

Flop: ($1.05) T

(3 players)
SB bets $1.05, BB folds, Hero raises to $4.20, SB calls $3.15

Turn: ($9.45) Q

(2 players)
SB bets $9.45, Hero requests TIME, Hero folds

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09-24-2009 , 04:07 PM

#384

jwc529

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Quote:

Originally Posted by black666

Hero raises to $1.75, fold, fold, fold, SB calls $1.50, fold

FLOP ($4) A

SB bets $2, Hero raises to $10, SB calls $8

TURN ($24) A

SB checks, Hero bets $24, SB raises to $34.50 (AI), Hero calls $10.50

bet/call is standard with those stacks

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09-24-2009 , 05:33 PM

#385

Spurious

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Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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MP: $145.20
CO: $26.50
Hero (BTN): $108.25
SB: $99.25
BB: $48.85
UTG: $26.95

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with K

3 folds, Hero raises to $1.75, 1 fold, BB calls $1.25

Flop: ($3.75) T

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3.50, BB calls $3.50

Turn: ($10.75) A

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $8, BB calls $8

River: ($26.75) J

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero...?

Villain is fishy. Bet or check, and if we bet how much?

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09-24-2009 , 05:42 PM

#386

black666

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Spurious

3 folds, Hero raises to $1.75, 1 fold, BB calls $1.25

Flop: ($3.75) T

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3.50, BB calls $3.50

Turn: ($10.75) A

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $8, BB calls $8

River: ($26.75) J

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero...?

Villain is fishy. Bet or check, and if we bet how much?

I bet/fold .. villain is calling with 2 pair, straight, worse flush. I probably only bet $10 since no matter what we bet he only raises better. Kind of feels the right amount between getting value and not valuetowning ourselves..

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09-24-2009 , 05:56 PM

#387

mdb77

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Spurious

3 folds, Hero raises to $1.75, 1 fold, BB calls $1.25

Flop: ($3.75) T

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3.50, BB calls $3.50

Turn: ($10.75) A

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $8, BB calls $8

River: ($26.75) J

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero...?

Villain is fishy. Bet or check, and if we bet how much?

im betting about half pot against a fishy villian

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09-24-2009 , 06:49 PM

#388

muzungu

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seandigs-

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line check? I'm new to plo so be brutal (but please explain why its stupid if it is) fwiw I think its a very standard hand, just want to be sure

villain is 49/8 or so
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BB: $10.00
UTG: $6.95
MP: $19.74
Hero (CO): $23.57
BTN: $10.00
SB: $16.87

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with Q

2 folds, Hero raises to $0.35, 1 fold, SB calls $0.30, BB calls $0.25

Flop: ($1.05) T

(3 players)
SB bets $1.05, BB folds, Hero raises to $4.20, SB calls $3.15

Turn: ($9.45) Q

(2 players)
SB bets $9.45, Hero requests TIME, Hero folds

Have you ever seen SB take this sort of flop/turn line? If not, it's probably a fold. I'd also fold preflop.

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CO ($123)
Hero ($59.90)

Dealt to Hero 9

fold, fold, CO raises to $1.75, Hero raises to $6, fold, BB calls $5.50, CO calls $4.25

FLOP ($18.25) 5

Preflop is super standard, and surely you have at least 30% against villain's shoving range on the flop.

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09-24-2009 , 06:58 PM

#389

muzungu

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Spurious

3 folds, Hero raises to $1.75, 1 fold, BB calls $1.25

Flop: ($3.75) T

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3.50, BB calls $3.50

Turn: ($10.75) A

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $8, BB calls $8

River: ($26.75) J

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero...?

Villain is fishy. Bet or check, and if we bet how much?

This is pretty close. There are 18 combos of higher spades, and 10 combos of lower ones. Higher combos seem more likely than lower ones, so... if he has a flush you lose maybe 70%? 75%? What else do you think he is calling with? I think he's pitching his 2 pairs, and I'd imagine he would have taken a different line with a set. I guess he could have QJ9x.

So: are there enough rivered straights (and other weird stuff) in his check/calling range to make up for your losses against his flushes? Maybe not quite- I think it's a very close check behind.

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09-25-2009 , 07:02 AM

#390

shoobri

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Standard or Spew?

Villain was 64/9/2 with 2% 3-bet over 150 hands

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SB: $88.60
BB: $22.70
Hero (UTG): $225.60
MP: $46.75
CO: $100.00
BTN: $316.95

CO posts a big blind ($1)

Pre Flop: ($2.50) Hero is UTG with 9

Hero raises to $4, 1 fold, CO calls $3, BTN raises to $10.75, 2 folds, Hero calls $6.75, 1 fold

Flop: ($27.00) 6

(2 players)
Hero bets $20, BTN raises to $87, Hero raises to $214.85 all in, BTN calls $127.85

Turn: ($456.70) 4

(2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($456.70) J

(2 players - 1 is all in)

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09-25-2009 , 07:15 AM

#391

Spurious

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I think standard even this deep.

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09-25-2009 , 07:17 AM

#392

realmaniac

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so u flop gin in a 3bet pot and ask if this is spew?

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09-25-2009 , 07:31 AM

#393

jd_poker

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He isn't folding, ever, when he raises you. I don't think you can shove for "value", per se, but if you have no idea how to play the turn it has to be more profitable to go all-in rather than folding or playing a turn OOP where incorrect folding or calling mistakes could be massive.

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09-25-2009 , 09:51 AM

#394

UnitedAs1

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any body like to give there view on how they might of played this, and if there was anything wrong with my play.

Only have 18 hands on him he is 68/37/55 with aggression factor of 1.3

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BTN: $162.15
Hero (SB): $119.05
BB: $49.25
UTG: $50.00
CO: $68.20

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with Q

UTG raises to $1.75, 1 fold, BTN raises to $6, Hero calls $5.75, 1 fold, UTG calls $4.25

Flop: ($18.50) 6

(3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($18.50) 3

(3 players)
Hero bets $14, UTG folds, BTN calls $14

River: ($46.50) 2

(2 players)
Hero bets $30, BTN calls $30

Final Pot: $106.50
BTN shows K

(a pair of Kings)
Hero shows Q

(a pair of Queens)
BTN wins $103.50
(Rake: $3.00)

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09-25-2009 , 09:57 AM

#395

zolih

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I checkcall river soo many draw (except 45**)missed.

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09-25-2009 , 01:42 PM

#396

2+2=5

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calling 4bet pre is ok? standard?

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BTN/SB: $141.60
Hero (BB): $168.70

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with 7

BTN/SB raises to $3, Hero raises to $9, BTN/SB raises to $27, Hero calls $18

Flop: ($54.00) 6

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets $53.50, Hero raises to $141.70 all in, BTN/SB calls $61.10 all in

Turn: ($283.20) T

(2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($283.20) Q

(2 players - 2 are all in)

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09-25-2009 , 02:00 PM

#397

shoobri

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 2+2=5

BTN/SB raises to $3, Hero raises to $9, BTN/SB raises to $27, Hero calls $18

Flop: ($54.00) 6

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets $53.50, Hero raises to $141.70 all in, BTN/SB calls $61.10 all in

Turn: ($283.20) T

(2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($283.20) Q

(2 players - 2 are all in)

Any further reads on Villain? If I 3-bet a run down pre from the BB I'm always calling a 4-bet, maybe then I'm to loose from the BB.
Then standard with two pair and double gutter.
If I was playing tight may c/c the flop with the club draw and waited for safe turn before shoving.

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09-25-2009 , 02:03 PM

#398

2+2=5

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nah... i mean i'm pretty sure he is not 4betting rundown here, it's like allways AA/KK. so i'm calling it pre right? he said in chat thats was ******. and i'm confused now lol, i allways call here pre.

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09-25-2009 , 02:07 PM

#399

shoobri

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What the best plan on the flop as there's a spade draw on the board? Is it a mistake to lead flop or should I just c/c and wait for safe turn?

BTN is 86/27/1 over 90 hands with 9% 3-bet
SB is 34/21/6 over 95 hands with 5% 3-bet

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BB: $50.00
Hero (UTG): $94.25
MP: $103.15
CO: $14.15
BTN: $181.40
SB: $50.00

CO posts a big blind ($0.50)

Pre Flop: ($1.25) Hero is UTG with A

Hero raises to $2.25, 1 fold, CO calls $1.75, BTN calls $2.25, SB calls $2, 1 fold

Flop: ($9.50) 7

(4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $9.50, CO folds, BTN calls $9.50, SB raises to $47.50, Hero raises to $92, BTN calls $82.50, SB calls $0.25 all in