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09-22-2009 , 05:22 PM

#351

Hoopster81

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standard imo

we are probably flipping with his get it in range and there aren't many turns we're dying to see

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09-22-2009 , 05:38 PM

#352

zolih

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Originally Posted by 2+2=5

i'm not sure about hand 1, it sux folding after you c-bet flop, but i dont know.
hand 2 is a fold.

ok,thx

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09-22-2009 , 05:41 PM

#353

kisada

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Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $0.50(BB)
SB ($58.30)
BB ($50)
Hero ($142)
UTG+1 ($82)
CO ($45.60)
BTN ($53.20)

Dealt to Hero T

Hero raises to $1.50, UTG+1 raises to $5, fold, fold, fold, BB calls $4.50, Hero calls $3.50

FLOP ($15.25) 3

BB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $14, BB folds, Hero raises to $56.50, UTG+1 raises to $77 (AI), Hero calls $20.50

CR/get it in good/bad here on this flop vs "aces?" villain is 31/14. the flush draw kinda makes it seem yucky.

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09-22-2009 , 06:07 PM

#354

Spurious

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I prefer a c/c on the flop to let BB come in, there is no need to stack off here, since your folding equity seems small given that he cbet full pot into 3 ppl.

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09-22-2009 , 06:46 PM

#355

jwc529

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kisada

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $0.50(BB)
SB ($58.30)
BB ($50)
Hero ($142)
UTG+1 ($82)
CO ($45.60)
BTN ($53.20)

Dealt to Hero T

Hero raises to $1.50, UTG+1 raises to $5, fold, fold, fold, BB calls $4.50, Hero calls $3.50

FLOP ($15.25) 3

he never has bare AA here, anytime he bets this flop IP against 2 in a 3bet pot he's ready to go all in, which isn't good for you

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09-23-2009 , 09:38 AM

#356

mdb77

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Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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Hero (CO): $100.00
BTN: $23.40
SB: $234.50
BB: $176.65
UTG: $89.00
MP: $60.20

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is CO with A

1 fold, MP calls $1, Hero raises to $4.50, 1 fold, SB calls $4, BB calls $3.50, MP calls $3.50

Flop: ($18.00) 3

(4 players)
SB bets $18, BB folds, MP calls $18, [color=red]Hero ?

2 randoms ive never played with before

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09-23-2009 , 09:45 AM

#357

johan313

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Originally Posted by mdb77

1 fold, MP calls $1, Hero raises to $4.50, 1 fold, SB calls $4, BB calls $3.50, MP calls $3.50

Flop: ($18.00) 3

(4 players)
SB bets $18, BB folds, MP calls $18, [color=red]Hero ?

2 randoms ive never played with before

Call is probably best, if they are randoms there is probably nothing with showdown value you can fold and your draw is not a favorite when getting it in. I only raise these when i know villains is capabe of folding or when im in spewtard mode like yesterday, think you stacked me a few times

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09-23-2009 , 10:01 AM

#358

jd_poker

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kisada

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $0.50(BB)
SB ($58.30)
BB ($50)
Hero ($142)
UTG+1 ($82)
CO ($45.60)
BTN ($53.20)

Dealt to Hero T

Hero raises to $1.50, UTG+1 raises to $5, fold, fold, fold, BB calls $4.50, Hero calls $3.50

FLOP ($15.25) 3

My plan for this hand is to call the flop bet, get the maximum amount of money in on the turn with the nuts (i.e. bet out, go all-in if raised) or if I miss:
kc on any 2, 4, 5 or 6;
kc or kr or possibly bet out on a K, depending on reads
kf on any pairing card, possibly a kc or kr if I have a read that he is likely to be unbalanced here (i.e. I'd kr if he is bet/folding too much and kc if he is so aggro that my overcard pair outs are probably good on the river at least half the time)
kf any

or A

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09-23-2009 , 10:01 AM

#359

shoobri

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Originally Posted by mdb77

1 fold, MP calls $1, Hero raises to $4.50, 1 fold, SB calls $4, BB calls $3.50, MP calls $3.50

Flop: ($18.00) 3

(4 players)
SB bets $18, BB folds, MP calls $18, [color=red]Hero ?

2 randoms ive never played with before

With NFD and gutter in position I would call to see the turn before comitting, the hands that concern me most are pocket 10's or the 9JQx wrap.

board: 3h8dTd
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
Ad6c7d8 26.23% 157,350 82
TT** 46.06% 274,675 3,406
9JQ* 27.71% 164,569 3,324

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09-23-2009 , 10:03 AM

#360

jd_poker

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Easiest call ever with nut flush draw and some random two-pair outs that block straights/let you continue on straightening turns with a draw to a FH.

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09-23-2009 , 01:05 PM

#361

Buck Duffy

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I decided I didn't want to bet/call the flop or bet/fold the flop. So I checked behind. Bleh. What do you think?

Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players
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UTG: $44.75
Hero (CO): $96.75
BTN: $28.40
SB: $62.35
BB: $50.35

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with 7

1 fold, Hero raises to $1.75, 1 fold, SB calls $1.50, BB calls $1.25

Flop: ($5.25) 9

(3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($5.25) 8

(3 players)
SB bets $5.25, BB raises to $21, Hero folds,

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09-23-2009 , 01:06 PM

#362

Buck Duffy

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The one where I wait for the turn. Thoughts?

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BB: $89.95
UTG: $36.00
CO: $24.75
Hero (BTN): $50.35
SB: $54.30

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with 7

UTG calls $0.50, CO calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.75, 1 fold, BB calls $2.25, UTG calls $2.25, CO calls $2.25

Flop: ($11.25) 8

(4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, CO checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($11.25) Q

(4 players)
BB bets $3, UTG calls $3, CO calls $3, Hero raises to $26.25,

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09-23-2009 , 01:09 PM

#363

2+2=5

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hand 2: no, you don't wait turn here, bet the flop! you have readraw to better straight BTW.

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09-23-2009 , 01:14 PM

#364

Buck Duffy

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Originally Posted by 2+2=5

you have readraw to better straight BTW.

wat? It must be really really disguised....

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09-23-2009 , 01:16 PM

#365

Buck Duffy

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Meh, in hindsight I may have did this wrong. What say you?

Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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Hero (CO): $58.00
BTN: $25.00
SB: $31.15
BB: $39.00
UTG: $23.50
MP: $9.10

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with Q

2 folds, Hero raises to $1.75, 1 fold, SB calls $1.50, BB raises to $7, Hero calls $5.25, SB calls $5.25

Flop: ($21.00) 3

(3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $21, Hero requests TIME, Hero folds, SB folds

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09-23-2009 , 02:23 PM

#366

jd_poker

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Buck Duffy

1 fold, Hero raises to $1.75, 1 fold, SB calls $1.50, BB calls $1.25

Flop: ($5.25) 9

(3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($5.25) 8

(3 players)
SB bets $5.25, BB raises to $21, Hero folds,

imo this is really well played. Fortunately, most people stack off to my AQJTds with flush outs here all the time.

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09-23-2009 , 02:57 PM

#367

2+2=5

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Buck Duffy

wat? It must be really really disguised....

nevermind, again my fault lol

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09-23-2009 , 04:09 PM

#368

kisada

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thanks for the responses on my last post. new one here:

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $1(BB)
SB ($172)
BB ($132)
UTG ($223)
UTG+1 ($171)
Hero ($144)
BTN ($315)

Dealt to Hero 7

fold, UTG+1 raises to $3.50, Hero calls $3.50, fold, fold, fold

FLOP ($8.50) 6

UTG+1 bets $7, Hero raises to $29.50,

bombs away here ok or should i have called > pounded safe turns?

btw what's gameplan if he 3-bets me after i raise?

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09-23-2009 , 05:43 PM

#369

Spurious

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Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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MP: $50.00
CO: $57.70
BTN: $61.10
SB: $20.00
BB: $78.60
Hero (UTG): $50.00

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG with Q

Hero raises to $1.75, 2 folds, BTN raises to $6, 2 folds, Hero calls $4.25

Flop: ($12.75) A

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $12.15, Hero calls $12.15

Turn: ($37.05) 3

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $35.25, Hero folds

No reads other than the fact that he won some pots recently and therefore I assume he is playing loose pf.

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09-23-2009 , 05:52 PM

#370

jd_poker

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kisada

thanks for the responses on my last post. new one here:

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $1(BB)
SB ($172)
BB ($132)
UTG ($223)
UTG+1 ($171)
Hero ($144)
BTN ($315)

Dealt to Hero 7

fold, UTG+1 raises to $3.50, Hero calls $3.50, fold, fold, fold

FLOP ($8.50) 6

UTG+1 bets $7, Hero raises to $29.50,

bombs away here ok or should i have called > pounded safe turns?

btw what's gameplan if he 3-bets me after i raise?

Try to keep incomplete hands/complex spots out of the thread. Post all action; answers such as "you played it fine", "must call", "fold turn" are as complicated as they should need to be. See this post here for guidance.

If the hand is worthy of discussion, it warrants it's own thread.

FWIW, I'd probably flat this flop as he isn't bet/calling with many hands you are crushing and it super-sucks to get 3-bet. I'd call pretty much any non-

turn card; only player-dependant reads can guide your option if checked to on pretty much any turn card.

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09-23-2009 , 06:04 PM

#371

kisada

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sorry, didn't fully realize the requirements. i'll avoid doing so again in the future. i guess i should add that he folded, but fwiw, my main question was mostly if the raise is ok here.

thanks!

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09-23-2009 , 06:31 PM

#372

jwc529

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Spurious

Hero raises to $1.75, 2 folds, BTN raises to $6, 2 folds, Hero calls $4.25

Flop: ($12.75) A

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $12.15, Hero calls $12.15

Turn: ($37.05) 3

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $35.25, Hero folds

No reads other than the fact that he won some pots recently and therefore I assume he is playing loose pf.

that's a pretty gross flop, I agree with folding the turn since I assume u called the flop thinking he had a flush draw or a complete airball, otherwise you're crushed against AK**,9***, AA**

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09-23-2009 , 07:47 PM

#373

black666

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Spurious

Hero raises to $1.75, 2 folds, BTN raises to $6, 2 folds, Hero calls $4.25

Flop: ($12.75) A

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $12.15, Hero calls $12.15

Turn: ($37.05) 3

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $35.25, Hero folds

No reads other than the fact that he won some pots recently and therefore I assume he is playing loose pf.

c/f the flop. Your hand is a bluff catcher and you are basically floating .. OOP, which is never a good idea, esp in PLO

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09-23-2009 , 11:08 PM

#374

kisada

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Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $0.50(BB)
SB ($37.75)
BB ($140)
UTG ($98.50)
CO ($11.65)
Hero ($88.95)

Dealt to Hero 2

UTG raises to $1.75, fold, Hero raises to $6, fold, fold, UTG calls $4.25

FLOP ($12.75) 4

UTG checks, Hero bets $6.87, UTG raises to $33.36, Hero folds

villain is unknown. might seem super standard, but just checking. and is bet-sizing ok here or too small?

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09-23-2009 , 11:37 PM

#375

mdb77

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kisada

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $0.50(BB)
SB ($37.75)
BB ($140)
UTG ($98.50)
CO ($11.65)
Hero ($88.95)

Dealt to Hero 2

UTG raises to $1.75, fold, Hero raises to $6, fold, fold, UTG calls $4.25

FLOP ($12.75) 4

UTG checks, Hero bets $6.87, UTG raises to $33.36, Hero folds

villain is unknown. might seem super standard, but just checking. and is bet-sizing ok here or too small?

i would bet around 10, half pots too small, and fold to the raise against random

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