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11-19-2010 , 04:54 PM
I don't think you ever want to not get it in PF with Aces. I suppose if you've got some really ugly Aces (AA27r) you might not want to against someone who's range you can narrow definitively to also Aces. But in those situations, to really care, you'd have to be so deep that you'd be unlikely to be 3-betting or 4-betting yourself in the first place.

I.e. if you're each 600bb deep, using the 1/3 of stack in PF so you can shove any flop guideline for non-exploitability, you'd have to be x-betting to 200bb. But you'd never do that because if 4-betting doesn't get you to the 1/3 threshold, then you're not going to 4-bet in the first place.

Edit: And 3-handed, while I may not be the favorite, if I can get it in against 2 others whose ranges are wide enough to not always be the other AA and something else, I'm going to because I should still have more than my fair share of equity.
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11-19-2010 , 05:28 PM
Heads up I don't think you can really make case for ever folding aces preflop. If you are really THAT deep (400bb or something) and your aces are junky then you shouldn't be 4 and 5-betting anyway.

3-way I don't think it's advisable to fold aces preflop ever for 100bb, it's like folding Kings in Hold 'Em. Sure it could be right in a few exceptional situations but you're just better off auto-calling every time.

4-way this is def more possible but I still def haven't folded AA preflop yet lol.
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11-20-2010 , 12:21 AM
vs reg

Std?

$200.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

UTG: $74.00
CO: $496.95
BTN: $148.01
Hero (SB): $263.05
BB: $1323.10

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is SB with J Q 9 T
1 fold, CO raises to $7, 1 fold, Hero raises to $23, 1 fold, CO raises to $71, Hero calls $48

Flop: ($144.00) 7 T 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $144.00, CO raises to $288, Hero calls $48.05 all in
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11-20-2010 , 06:30 PM
Meh, what we supposed to do here? Villians runing 24/10 over 20 hands so not much, but from what i have seen i dont think hes a good player, but hard to say really with not much history.


Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

CO: $5.37
Hero (BTN): $2.40
SB: $5.24
BB: $5.11
UTG: $7.54

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN with Q K T K
1 fold, CO raises to $0.07, Hero calls $0.07, SB calls $0.06, BB calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.28) T 3 7 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, CO bets $0.22, Hero folds, SB folds, BB folds

Final Pot: $0.28
CO wins $0.27
(Rake: $0.01)

Should we be calling here?
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11-21-2010 , 03:45 AM
^^raise pre x amount you have position with strong kings, meh yeah fold it.
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11-21-2010 , 04:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Logieuk
Meh, what we supposed to do here? Villians runing 24/10 over 20 hands so not much, but from what i have seen i dont think hes a good player, but hard to say really with not much history.


Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

CO: $5.37
Hero (BTN): $2.40
SB: $5.24
BB: $5.11
UTG: $7.54

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN with Q K T K
1 fold, CO raises to $0.07, Hero calls $0.07, SB calls $0.06, BB calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.28) T 3 7 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, CO bets $0.22, Hero folds, SB folds, BB folds

Final Pot: $0.28
CO wins $0.27
(Rake: $0.01)

Should we be calling here?
bet size is a little fishy to me, i think you can get away with peeling here and reval on turn, again you have blocker to top set so villain looks to betting a weaker 2 pair or str8 draw and trying to knock players out cheaper, you also have some good backdoors draws and may have some good bluffing oppurtunities as well

that bet size i have villain on89xx or 10-7 ish strength hands, both of which you have good equity to continue on
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11-21-2010 , 05:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bruin
it's like folding Kings in Hold 'Em.
Yea.. but technically no, to be nitty about it
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11-21-2010 , 08:26 AM
$0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
5 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($150.35)
CO ($50)
Hero ($116.55)
SB ($192.15) 46/41, 33bet #782
BB ($123.15) 82/31

Pre-Flop: ($0.75, 5 players) Hero is BTN K 5 Q A
2 folds, Hero raises to $1.75, SB raises to $5.75, BB calls $5.25, Hero calls $4

Flop: A 3 J ($17.25, 3 players)
SB bets $13.75, BB calls $13.75, Hero calls $13.75

Turn: 9 ($58.50, 3 players)
SB bets $55, BB calls $55, Hero calls $55

River: Q ($223.50, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

Final Pot: $223.50
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11-21-2010 , 09:02 AM
I find at micros PFR's feel like that HAVE to bet, seen a few showdowns and they have weak hands, but i wasnt really sure to continue.

I felt i need a turn and river card to hit to give me a decent hand so didnt continue, 4 people to the flop someone had to have a K killing a decent out for me
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11-21-2010 , 11:26 AM
All villains are loose passive pre and bad/spewy post. CO is the only one we're worried about and he is 81/19 over 17 hands so not much. With 2bdfd we're good to get it in here?

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $0.20(BB) Replayer
Hero ($30.97)
BB ($11.80)
UTG ($12.17)
CO ($23.21)

BTN ($19.50)

Dealt to Hero K K A Q

UTG calls $0.20, CO calls $0.20, fold, Hero raises to $1, BB calls $0.80, UTG calls $0.80, CO raises to $1.80, Hero raises to $4.60, BB calls $3.60, UTG calls $3.60, CO calls $2.80

FLOP ($18.40) T 4 7

Hero bets $18.40...
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11-21-2010 , 02:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ICUFoldin'
All villains are loose passive pre and bad/spewy post. CO is the only one we're worried about and he is 81/19 over 17 hands so not much. With 2bdfd we're good to get it in here?

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $0.20(BB) Replayer
Hero ($30.97)
BB ($11.80)
UTG ($12.17)
CO ($23.21)

BTN ($19.50)

Dealt to Hero K K A Q

UTG calls $0.20, CO calls $0.20, fold, Hero raises to $1, BB calls $0.80, UTG calls $0.80, CO raises to $1.80, Hero raises to $4.60, BB calls $3.60, UTG calls $3.60, CO calls $2.80

FLOP ($18.40) T 4 7

Hero bets $18.40...
Yup standard
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11-21-2010 , 02:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Foxtorpedo
$0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
5 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($150.35)
CO ($50)
Hero ($116.55)
SB ($192.15) 46/41, 33bet #782
BB ($123.15) 82/31

Pre-Flop: ($0.75, 5 players) Hero is BTN K 5 Q A
2 folds, Hero raises to $1.75, SB raises to $5.75, BB calls $5.25, Hero calls $4

Flop: A 3 J ($17.25, 3 players)
SB bets $13.75, BB calls $13.75, Hero calls $13.75

Turn: 9 ($58.50, 3 players)
SB bets $55, BB calls $55, Hero calls $55

River: Q ($223.50, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

Final Pot: $223.50
I get it in on flop vs. villains with these stats, what is their 3b%? I might even 4b pre
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11-21-2010 , 02:57 PM
How do you like my bluff here? Villain 78/26 over 73 hands

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $0.50(BB) Replayer
SB ($37.05)
BB ($33)
CO ($39.75)
Hero ($124)

Dealt to Hero 9 A A T

CO raises to $2, Hero calls $2, fold, fold

FLOP ($5) T Q 3

CO bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50

TURN ($10) T Q 3 6

CO bets $5, Hero calls $5

RIVER ($20) T Q 3 6 5

CO bets $10, Hero raises to $50
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11-21-2010 , 03:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinK1979
How do you like my bluff here? Villain 78/26 over 73 hands

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $0.50(BB) Replayer
SB ($37.05)
BB ($33)
CO ($39.75)
Hero ($124)

Dealt to Hero 9 A A T

CO raises to $2, Hero calls $2, fold, fold

FLOP ($5) T Q 3

CO bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50

TURN ($10) T Q 3 6

CO bets $5, Hero calls $5

RIVER ($20) T Q 3 6 5

CO bets $10, Hero raises to $50
3b pre, i like it yes but it never works for me . Reads on villain are important and a 78/26 player prob never folds a flush
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11-21-2010 , 03:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cr@ckers717
I get it in on flop vs. villains with these stats, what is their 3b%? I might even 4b pre
3bettor has 3bet of 33% over 762 hands, BB is running 82/31 6,7% 3bet

And 4betting puts us in really awkward post situations? SPR will be like 2:1

E: We all have 200bb behind on flop
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11-22-2010 , 01:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinK1979
How do you like my bluff here? Villain 78/26 over 73 hands

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $0.50(BB) Replayer
SB ($37.05)
BB ($33)
CO ($39.75)
Hero ($124)

Dealt to Hero 9 A A T

CO raises to $2, Hero calls $2, fold, fold

FLOP ($5) T Q 3

CO bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50

TURN ($10) T Q 3 6

CO bets $5, Hero calls $5

RIVER ($20) T Q 3 6 5

CO bets $10, Hero raises to $50
It'd be good to 3bet pre.

I think you can get the same by raising to 35-40$ Though I am not sure if a 78/26 is the best villain to make this bluff.
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11-22-2010 , 05:18 PM
Do we valuebet this river?

BB is 83/19
CO is a decent reg river agg % 16 fold to river bet 83

IPoker Network $20.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

Hero (BTN): $81.43
SB: $45.08
BB: $37.61
UTG: $20.48
MP: $26.08
CO: $22.96

Pre Flop: ($0.30) Hero is BTN with Q Q J 4
2 folds, CO raises to $0.70, Hero calls $0.70, 1 fold, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($2.20) Q J K (3 players)
BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $1.10, BB calls $1.10, CO calls $1.10

Turn: ($5.50) K (3 players)
BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $4.00, BB calls $4, CO calls $4

River: ($17.50) 5 (3 players)
BB checks, CO checks
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11-22-2010 , 06:33 PM
Not sure, if there was a Kx, KJ or KQ out there, surely you would be c/r on the turn? Anyone chasing a flush there is not the brightest. Real question is before considering a value bet, would you call a raise?
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11-23-2010 , 06:27 AM
Are there any resources here for CAP PLO games?

Anyone know what bb/100 a solid player can expect to make grinding the CAP games?
Im looking to compare some stats/graphs and see how im faring in the game.

Currently my redline is just horrible while my blueline is through the roof. Im also running what appears to be slightly hot because my winnings are over my ev.

thanks
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11-23-2010 , 10:02 AM
^^ would be interested to hear this as well. also cap vs shallow tables as well, as I see some of the games at 100 and 200 are juicy at these types but haven't felt like learning shallow poker yet
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11-23-2010 , 10:23 AM
Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

CO: $2.00
Hero (BTN): $2.20
SB: $1.82
BB: $4.42
UTG: $5.38
MP: $2.50

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN with 7 A 9 8
UTG calls $0.02, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.02, SB calls $0.01, BB checks

Flop: ($0.08) T 7 A (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $0.06, SB calls $0.06, BB calls $0.06, UTG calls $0.06

Turn: ($0.32) K (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $0.20, SB folds, BB folds, UTG raises to $0.91, Hero folds

Final Pot: $0.72
UTG wins $0.69
(Rake: $0.03)

Right to fold here? First hand i have seen Villian in, so no reads. Should i have checked? I had to bet here shorley?

I wont be supprised if im up against AK, KK, A*** + flush draw. Just run some hands through PPT and it seems im crushed most of the time, even though my hand looks pretty :/
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11-23-2010 , 10:27 AM
Raise pre, check back turn. As played very easy fold wp
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11-23-2010 , 11:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cr@ckers717
Raise pre, check back turn. As played very easy fold wp
This. Added bold for emphasis. At least you played it, I suppose.
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11-23-2010 , 12:46 PM
Haven't played PLO in a while starting to dipping back into it,

Don't know if I should cbet in the 1st place, no reads on SB but I played alot with CO in NLH and I rate him as a really bad aggro,


Merge $200.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

BTN: $200.00
SB: $180.52
BB: $288.75
Hero (UTG): $697.54
CO: $701.15

CO posts a big blind ($3.00)

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is UTG with 9 Q A A
Hero raises to $10, CO calls $7, 1 fold, SB calls $9, 1 fold

Flop: ($32.00) J 3 T (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $24.00, CO folds, SB calls $24

Turn: ($80.00) 5 (2 players)
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11-23-2010 , 02:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by UnitedAs1
Haven't played PLO in a while starting to dipping back into it,

Don't know if I should cbet in the 1st place, no reads on SB but I played alot with CO in NLH and I rate him as a really bad aggro,


Merge $200.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

BTN: $200.00
SB: $180.52
BB: $288.75
Hero (UTG): $697.54
CO: $701.15

CO posts a big blind ($3.00)

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is UTG with 9 Q A A
Hero raises to $10, CO calls $7, 1 fold, SB calls $9, 1 fold

Flop: ($32.00) J 3 T (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $24.00, CO folds, SB calls $24

Turn: ($80.00) 5 (2 players)
What does SB do?
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