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Old 11-14-2010, 09:24 AM   #2626
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

Turn might be worth a barrel imo but very villain dependent
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Old 11-15-2010, 05:12 PM   #2627
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

Villain is 39/0 over 20 hands. Do you think villain is raising anything worse than my hand on the turn?

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CO: $14.37
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Hero (SB): $11.74
BB: $20.42

CO posts a big blind ($0.10)

Pre Flop: ($0.30) Hero is SB with A Q 5 3
1 fold, MP calls $0.10, CO checks, BTN calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.05, BB checks

Flop: ($0.55) 3 T 3 (5 players)
Hero bets $0.40, BB folds, MP folds, CO calls $0.40, BTN folds

Turn: ($1.35) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.70, CO raises to $2
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Old 11-15-2010, 05:15 PM   #2628
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

button was stealin much

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UTG: $105.95
MP: $71.90
CO: $63.00
BTN: $50.00
Hero (SB): $96.50

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with Q 8 7 A
3 folds, BTN raises to $1.75, Hero raises to $5.75, 1 fold, BTN calls $4

Flop: ($12.00) 6 8 Q (2 players)
Hero bets $12, BTN calls $12

Turn: ($36.00) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $18.50, Hero folds
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Old 11-15-2010, 05:16 PM   #2629
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

Maybe. I'm calling and c/deciding on the river (UI).

Preflop game does not equal postflop game sometimes. And at this limit, I wouldn't put it past him to raise with a worse or equal 3.
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Old 11-15-2010, 05:28 PM   #2630
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

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button was stealin much

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BB: $50.00
UTG: $105.95
MP: $71.90
CO: $63.00
BTN: $50.00
Hero (SB): $96.50

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with Q 8 7 A
3 folds, BTN raises to $1.75, Hero raises to $5.75, 1 fold, BTN calls $4

Flop: ($12.00) 6 8 Q (2 players)
Hero bets $12, BTN calls $12

Turn: ($36.00) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $18.50, Hero folds
Let him. This hand is very hard to play OOP in a 3bet pot, for instance you flopped one the better flops you can get and its still messed up here. Also, against an assumed aggro player I'd prefer c/r on flop, this nullifies his position and gets most of his chips in. As played essentially half the deck is going to have you going on the turn. Worst case scenario he checks it back and you have kept the pot small with a weak hand.
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Old 11-15-2010, 05:29 PM   #2631
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Villain is 39/0 over 20 hands. Do you think villain is raising anything worse than my hand on the turn?

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BTN: $25.12
Hero (SB): $11.74
BB: $20.42

CO posts a big blind ($0.10)

Pre Flop: ($0.30) Hero is SB with A Q 5 3
1 fold, MP calls $0.10, CO checks, BTN calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.05, BB checks

Flop: ($0.55) 3 T 3 (5 players)
Hero bets $0.40, BB folds, MP folds, CO calls $0.40, BTN folds

Turn: ($1.35) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.70, CO raises to $2
I probably fold.
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Old 11-15-2010, 05:39 PM   #2632
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

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Dealt to Hero 5 3 A A
fold, UTG+1 calls $0.02, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.08, fold, UTG+1 calls $0.06
FLOP ($0.18) 2 2 Q
Hero bets $0.16, UTG+1 calls $0.16
TURN ($0.50) 2 2 Q 4
Hero bets $0.38, UTG+1 raises to $1.62, Hero folds
UTG+1 wins $1.20

sigh PLO has been so ***** BS this last week, so pee'd off. Best hand i had on 6 tables, 30~40 hands on each. I mean im running VPIP on some tables FFS
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Old 11-15-2010, 05:59 PM   #2633
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

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Dealt to Hero 5 3 A A
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FLOP ($0.18) 2 2 Q
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TURN ($0.50) 2 2 Q 4
Hero bets $0.38, UTG+1 raises to $1.62, Hero folds
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sigh PLO has been so ***** BS this last week, so pee'd off. Best hand i had on 6 tables, 30~40 hands on each. I mean im running VPIP on some tables FFS
Against most people, this is a good fold.
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Old 11-15-2010, 06:25 PM   #2634
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

Total passive player, first bit of agro he's shown, he either has the nuts or is ******ed. I thought QQ can def be in his range here, which means my straight and flush draws are dead, im looking for another Ace
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Old 11-16-2010, 03:00 AM   #2635
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

That's a quite interesting spot because he often has 2x/QQ here but we have a bunch of draws. I guess I'd b/f smaller as a blockerish bet, more like $.24
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Old 11-16-2010, 05:17 AM   #2636
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

villain is aggressive reg

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Hero (BTN/SB): $442.50
BB: $448.50

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BTN/SB with 7 6 3 9
Hero raises to $6, BB raises to $18, Hero calls $12

Flop: ($36.00) 6 3 K (2 players)
BB bets $28.00, Hero calls $28

Turn: ($92.00) 6 (2 players)
BB bets $66.00, Hero calls $66

River: ($224.00) 5 (2 players)
BB bets $138.00

330 effective stacks on the river, any merit in raising?
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Old 11-16-2010, 09:29 AM   #2637
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330 effective stacks on the river, any merit in raising?
No. You get pwnd by KK and he folds his missed FD and K***/AA** combos.

Meh, HUHU, I don't know. Still probably not.
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Old 11-16-2010, 10:17 AM   #2638
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No. You get pwnd by KK and he folds his missed FD and K***/AA** combos.

Meh, HUHU, I don't know. Still probably not.
Agreed. No raisins on the turn? I guess it's better to play bluff catcher
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Old 11-16-2010, 10:29 AM   #2639
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

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villain is aggressive reg

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Hero (BTN/SB): $442.50
BB: $448.50

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BTN/SB with 7 6 3 9
Hero raises to $6, BB raises to $18, Hero calls $12

Flop: ($36.00) 6 3 K (2 players)
BB bets $28.00, Hero calls $28

Turn: ($92.00) 6 (2 players)
BB bets $66.00, Hero calls $66

River: ($224.00) 5 (2 players)
BB bets $138.00

330 effective stacks on the river, any merit in raising?
what worse hand do u think will call u? AKxx? very std call
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Old 11-16-2010, 12:30 PM   #2640
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

Both opponents are loose passives. Just raise the flop? Is my turn raise bad or too big with a deep CO behind?

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BTN: $20.18
SB: $16.60
Hero (BB): $31.16
CO: $53.69

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with A 2 8 4
CO calls $0.10, 1 fold, SB raises to $0.20, Hero calls $0.10, CO calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.60) 8 2 8 (3 players)
SB bets $0.40, Hero calls $0.40, CO calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.80) 7 (3 players)
SB bets $1.20, Hero raises to $4.10, CO calls $4.10, SB folds

River: ($11.20) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $5.50, CO raises to $27.78, Hero folds
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Old 11-16-2010, 01:27 PM   #2641
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

seriously should i fold overpair all the time even with low spr on dry boards ???

just because i checked my hm and seems they never reraise with worse than set... so ****ing annoying that i lose all the time vs setminers....

he had only 60bb


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Dealt to Hero 7 9 A A

UTG calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.75, fold, fold, fold, BB calls $2.25, UTG calls $2.25

FLOP ($9) J 5 2

BB checks, [/color]UTG checks, Hero bets $5.50, BB raises to $25.50, UTG folds, Hero raises to $45.50, BB calls $9 (AI)

am I making something wrong?
just betcall 1bb or wtf? if i cbet normall i committed ...

i dont remember a single time when they happened to cr me with worse than set on dry board.
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Old 11-16-2010, 03:51 PM   #2642
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

I found bet/calling dry OPs on dry boards, especially 3ways, suicide. But yeah I play vs very passives all the time, and would just b/f this.
Very villain dependend imo
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Old 11-16-2010, 04:20 PM   #2643
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Not sure how to play this flop when there are two left to act and stacks are deep. BB has a weak leading range, so I'm not worried about him. Btn is 20/11 and aggro post and sb is 67/42 and can show up with just about anything. Am I just turning my hand into a semi bluff on the 5 turn? I guess it's likely someone has a 5.

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UTG: $18.47
Hero (MP): $45.82
CO: $20.36
BTN: $17.49

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP with 8 A T A
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.40, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.40, SB calls $0.35, BB calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.60) 5 K 7 (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $1.72, Hero calls $1.72, BTN calls $1.72, SB calls $1.72

Turn: ($8.48) 5 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $4.50, BTN folds, SB calls $4.50, BB folds

River: ($17.48) T (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks
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Old 11-16-2010, 04:23 PM   #2644
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

Without the FD, I think stab/folding the turn is fine. With the FD, I don't want to get c/r off of it so I probably check behind the turn and bluffcatch depending on the river card and v-betting small if checked to me on the river.
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Old 11-16-2010, 07:42 PM   #2645
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Is it right to only call flop bet here? OESD, 2nd flush and overs? Villans is one of those players every hand and raises nearly every hand

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CO ($5.72)
Logieuk (Button) ($2.50)
SB ($2.25)
BB ($4.97)
UTG ($3.36)

Preflop: Logieuk is Button with K, 10, 10, Q
1 fold, MP bets $0.07, 1 fold, Logieuk calls $0.07, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.17) 9, J, 4 (2 players)
MP bets $0.14, Logieuk calls $0.14

Turn: ($0.45) 2 (2 players)
MP bets $0.34, Logieuk folds

Total pot: $0.45 | Rake: $0.02

Results:
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Outcome: MP won $0.43


Him leading the turn is basicly narrowing his hand down to sets/2p?
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Old 11-16-2010, 07:53 PM   #2646
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seriously should i fold overpair all the time even with low spr on dry boards ???

just because i checked my hm and seems they never reraise with worse than set... so ****ing annoying that i lose all the time vs setminers....

he had only 60bb


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UTG calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.75, fold, fold, fold, BB calls $2.25, UTG calls $2.25

FLOP ($9) J 5 2

BB checks, [/color]UTG checks, Hero bets $5.50, BB raises to $25.50, UTG folds, Hero raises to $45.50, BB calls $9 (AI)

am I making something wrong?
just betcall 1bb or wtf? if i cbet normall i committed ...

i dont remember a single time when they happened to cr me with worse than set on dry board.
Yah that's about as bone dry as it gets and he CR'd it with UTG still in da pot. My default here would be to c-bet/fold.
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Old 11-16-2010, 11:18 PM   #2647
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Standard river play? Is just calling river too nitty and i'm going to lose value from straights and flushes a lot of the time?

River: Fold/Call/raise-fold/as played?

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UTG: $10.52
CO: $21.31
BTN: $5.00

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with 6 8 7 6
UTG calls $0.05, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.05, SB calls $0.03, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.20) 9 T 6 (4 players)
SB bets $0.10, Hero raises to $0.40, UTG folds, BTN folds, SB calls $0.30

Turn: ($1.00) K (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($1.00) K (2 players)
SB bets $0.96, Hero raises to $3.84, SB raises to $12.48, Hero calls $0.71 all in
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Old 11-17-2010, 03:18 AM   #2648
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Dealt to Hero Q 9 J T

fold, UTG+1 calls $2, Hero raises to $8, BTN calls $8, fold, BB raises to $16, UTG+1 calls $14, Hero calls $8, BTN calls $8

FLOP ($65) J 4 2

BB bets $65, UTG+1 folds, Hero folds, BTN folds

BB wins $62

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He 3bets 14%, but the flop pot is pretty convincing. Do I even need to ask?
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Old 11-17-2010, 05:03 AM   #2649
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Vroom. Villain is a 4-tabling reg. Playing: 25/18/2.6 with 10% 3b. Obviously his 3b from button is very wide so is my 4b ok or is it spew? Flop seemed super standard to me. I have 43% against top set

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Hero (UTG): $215.75
MP: $110.90
CO: $332.10
BTN: $100.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is UTG with 8 9 J T
Hero raises to $3, 1 fold, CO raises to $10.20, 3 folds, Hero raises to $25, CO raises to $76.50, Hero calls $51.50

Flop: ($154.50) 8 A 7 (2 players)
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Old 11-17-2010, 10:09 AM   #2650
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Is it right to only call flop bet here? OESD, 2nd flush and overs? Villans is one of those players every hand and raises nearly every hand
I'm raise/getting it in on the flop. As played, I call the turn and see what the river brings.

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Standard river play? Is just calling river too nitty and i'm going to lose value from straights and flushes a lot of the time?

River: Fold/Call/raise-fold/as played?
I think I bet the turn, TBH. Not sure about b/f or b/c/fold river UI. Probably b/f as he could have the higher straight and 2 pears which has you pretty much f'd. As played, on the river, I think you should call his bet at best. With reads/stats it might even be a fold. Raising is really optimistic, IMO and usually doesn't get called by anything you beat so there's no value in it.

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He 3bets 14%, but the flop pot is pretty convincing. Do I even need to ask?
I think this is fine. Make the board rainbow and it's closer with his stacksize, IMO.

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Vroom. Villain is a 4-tabling reg. Playing: 25/18/2.6 with 10% 3b. Obviously his 3b from button is very wide so is my 4b ok or is it spew? Flop seemed super standard to me. I have 43% against top set
I don't know if I'd call it spew, but I think it might be sub-optimal because he's going to be able to narrow your range pretty well. Couple that with being OOP and how deep you are... if he just calls the 4-bet, he can put you in some really tough spots postflop. I think his 5-bet makes things fairly straightforward and agree with how you played it from there.
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