[OFFICIAL] Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour - Page 101 - Small Stakes Pot Limit Omaha

BTN: 53/17 1.0 AF, 33% fold to cbet and 19% WTSD 53 hands
BB: 68/47 2.9 AF, 75% fold to cbet and 31% WTSD 67 hands

Just wondering if this is the standard play here? Bet turn for value? Do we consider checking as we have the flushdraw and might get more value on the river with a boardpair or spade? Also, betsizing?

IPoker Network $20.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

BB: $24.97
UTG: $44.10
MP: $23.53
Hero (CO): $20.00
BTN: $26.08
SB: $34.23

Pre Flop: ($0.30) Hero is CO with 7

2 folds, Hero raises to $0.70, BTN calls $0.70, 1 fold, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($2.20) 4

(3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.60, BTN calls $1.60, BB calls $1.60

Turn: ($7.00) J

(3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $5.00

A check in the turn would be disastrous, we lose a lot of value by not betting, and we might let him draw for free if he has a wrap, if he has 2 pair or a set hes not going anywhere. I'd bet a bit bigger in the turn, 5.8-6.4 range

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11-02-2010 , 11:47 AM

#2502

Logieuk

old hand

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PokerStars - $0.02 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

CO: $3.31
Hero (BTN): $5.00
SB: $2.84
BB: $5.53
UTG: $7.08

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has 5

fold, CO calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.06, fold, fold, CO calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.15, 2 players) 5

CO checks, Hero bets $0.12, CO calls $0.12

Turn: ($0.39, 2 players) 9

CO checks, Hero checks

River: ($0.39, 2 players) 9

CO checks, Hero ?

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11-02-2010 , 01:09 PM

#2503

Leroy2DaBeroy

Head in the Clouds

Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 15,761

Check it back and hope he's on a missed draw and doesn't have meh draw + higher pair. The pot's not really big enough to mess with fighting for, IMO.

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11-02-2010 , 01:20 PM

#2504

Sappie22

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Barrel turn imo.
I often check back on the river but I'm a nit in spots like these. Always think they will call me with any Kx because we don't really rep anything. In reality I think betting $0.19 or something here would make him fold the best hand often enough.
@leroy: the pot is always big enough to fight for it =]

Also may I know your screenname? I play PLO2 on Stars aswell under same SN as on 2+2

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11-02-2010 , 04:49 PM

#2505

Logieuk

old hand

Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,795

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha, $0.02 BB (4 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($5)
BB ($5.42)
Logieuk (UTG) ($2.57)
Button ($6.14)

Preflop: Logieuk is UTG with A

, K

, A

Logieuk bets $0.06, Button calls $0.06, SB calls $0.05, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.20) 9

, 10

, J

(3 players)
SB checks, Logieuk bets $0.14, Button calls $0.14, SB raises to $0.75, Logieuk calls $0.61, 1 fold

Turn: ($1.84) J

(2 players)
SB bets $1.75, Logieuk folds

Total pot: $1.84 | Rake: $0.09

Results:
SB didn't show
Outcome: SB won $1.75

Another other card that didnt pair the board i would of prob shoved. Should i of shoved the raise on the flop? Or should i have check call instead of donking as i was OOP?

sigh last hand on last table too, going to bed pissed off now lol

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11-02-2010 , 05:10 PM

#2506

Sappie22

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You played it fine imo. Bet/3betting is fine aswell ofcourse since we have 13 nut outs and possibly 4 more outs if villain has a set.

Also you mind giving your screenname? I play on PS PLO2 aswell

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11-02-2010 , 05:29 PM

#2507

Sly_Fox

old hand

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Am I crazy for wanting to check flop 3 way?

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11-02-2010 , 06:25 PM

#2508

Logieuk

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Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,795

I was thinking that, but free cards normally = death in PLO. But, thinking about my hand i reckon i should of checked and called 1 bet. If its checked around and a diamond comes im going to bet, prob going to get folds, same with straight?

Dont really want to give my SN out, if you want to see my stats on PTR i've played nearly 2k hands and im minus :P

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11-02-2010 , 11:39 PM

#2509

Tschinga-Tschanga

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 574

I find myself at tables where all the players are above 40vpip. very passiv ones.

utg+1 limp.
I am on co.
normally I am isolate with these* but now, the pot will be 3-4way . blinds are just never folds.

* AsKcQc3d JT65ds JcTc9s3d KcJs9d8d

sucks in 4way pot..
fold 1st, still raise 2nd and the rest?

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11-03-2010 , 12:06 AM

#2510

Sly_Fox

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tschinga-Tschanga

Fold first, raise 2nd, limp/fold 3rd, fold 4th imo. Actually against tighter opponents and heads up pots some of these would be playable. However, 4 handed most of these hands are rubbish and any time you get a draw will often not be to the nuts.

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11-03-2010 , 12:07 AM

#2511

Sly_Fox

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Logieuk

I was thinking that, but free cards normally = death in PLO.

Not when your hand is most likely the hand needing them

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11-03-2010 , 07:48 AM

#2512

Logieuk

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Yea i guess, but at the time i thought "Wow nice flop for me". NFD, nut straight draw etc

Just watched a training video and it had me a little confused:

50 PLO BB Stack $146 50/42, BTN $276, HiJ$28 90/0

Hijack limps, us on the BTN pot with 8

BB Calls, Hijack Calls

Flop 8

(Pot $9)

Checked around flop now after the turn card 8

I would of bet the flop esp being on the BTN as its checked around, we OESD, top pair and back door flush.

But why did the pro check flop?

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11-03-2010 , 01:02 PM

#2513

Logieuk

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FO you chasing ****

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha, $0.02 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP ($1.64)
Button ($4.60)
SB ($1.66)
Logieuk (BB) ($2.50)
UTG ($2.97)

Preflop: Logieuk is BB with A

, 9

, 10

, J

UTG bets $0.07, 3 folds, Logieuk calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.15) 8

, 9

, 3

(2 players)
Logieuk checks, UTG bets $0.15, Logieuk raises to $0.56, UTG calls $0.41

Turn: ($1.27) 7

(2 players)
Logieuk bets $0.92, UTG calls $0.92

River: ($3.11) J

(2 players)
Logieuk bets $0.95 (All-In), UTG calls $0.95

Total pot: $5.01 | Rake: $0.24

Results:
Logieuk had A

, 9

, 10

, J

(straight, Jack high).
UTG had K

, K

, A

(flush, Ace high).
Outcome: UTG won $4.77

Could of been played different?

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11-03-2010 , 01:20 PM

#2514

Leroy2DaBeroy

Head in the Clouds

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Bet more on the turn, IMO.

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11-03-2010 , 03:53 PM

#2515

IgnatiusJR

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Is this a clear c/r on the flop? Kind of sucks my boat outs are blocked. Or can it be a spot to check call and wait for a safe turn card to try and get the money in?

I didn't think of it at the time, but is leading likely the better play? Villain is 50/12 and fairly aggro post.

Full Tilt Poker $25.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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UTG: $30.13
MP: $25.00
CO: $90.12
BTN: $31.91
Hero (SB): $25.00
BB: $25.00

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with Q

3 folds, BTN raises to $0.85, Hero calls $0.75, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.95) 9

(2 players)
Hero...

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11-03-2010 , 04:32 PM

#2516

Leroy2DaBeroy

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OOP, I don't like leading since he can call with his draws and play pretty well against you.

I'd probably c/r, but c/c and seeing the turn can't be that bad. If you do, I'd donk safe turns and probably c/c non-safe turns, then decide what to do on the river based on the card.

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11-03-2010 , 04:33 PM

#2517

MartinK1

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didnt play PLO for a while my sessions stats (all PLO50 5max):

How do you like it?
How do you view me as a NIT, TAG, LAG ?

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11-03-2010 , 04:40 PM

#2518

Leroy2DaBeroy

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MartinK1

didnt play PLO for a while my sessions stats (all PLO50 5max):

There's a SSPLO Stats thread for this. If you search for Official SSPLO Stats Thread, you should find it pretty easily. It should only be a page or 3 back.

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11-03-2010 , 04:40 PM

#2519

MartinK1

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ok tx

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11-03-2010 , 05:16 PM

#2520

d7o1d1s0

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Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,459

villain is playing 75/5 or something- do i get a fold enough to make this profitable?

edit: villain is also writing in the textbox after almost every hand, trying to make reads etc. the previous pot i c/r him otf and he typed 'sigh' into chat before folding.

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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CO: $23.08
Hero (BTN): $27.48
SB: $20.74
BB: $15.01
UTG: $39.47
MP: $47.91

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with A

UTG calls $0.25, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.35) 7

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($2.35) 4

(2 players)
UTG bets $2, Hero calls $2

River: ($6.35) 2

(2 players)
UTG bets $2.50, Hero raises to $8.50, UTG

Last edited by d7o1d1s0; 11-03-2010 at 05:24 PM.

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11-03-2010 , 07:46 PM

#2521

lifes3ps

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,694

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leroy2DaBeroy

leroy-
your reasoning for x/r vs leading fails to realize that x/r doesnt get that much in since teh spr is ~12 and still leaves > 1.5psb left on the turn it actually has us play a bigger pot oop w/ a villian who can rep all the draws decently. donking here is acutally a great pot control line

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11-03-2010 , 07:49 PM

#2522

lifes3ps

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Quote:

Originally Posted by d7o1d1s0

UTG calls $0.25, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.35) 7

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($2.35) 4

(2 players)
UTG bets $2, Hero calls $2

River: ($6.35) 2

(2 players)
UTG bets $2.50, Hero raises to $8.50, UTG

eh dont like it that much. all your nfd hands w/ soemthign on the side probably bet flop.

i bet flop, i think hes giving up quite often.
as played i raise the turn.

also if your raising here, raise pot, your polarized static board, better things happen for you when you pot

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11-03-2010 , 07:54 PM

#2523

d7o1d1s0

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lifes3ps

makes perfect sense, thanks very much

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11-03-2010 , 09:05 PM

#2524

Sly_Fox

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Logieuk

BB Calls, Hijack Calls

Flop 8

(Pot $9)

Checked around flop now after the turn card 8

I would of bet the flop esp being on the BTN as its checked around, we OESD, top pair and back door flush.

But why did the pro check flop?

Couple of reasons imo.
A) Perhaps most important our hand at the moment sucks
B) Our hand as you point out has some outs, no point in risk getting raised off it
C) Building a pot right now is a spew

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11-03-2010 , 09:20 PM

#2525

Sly_Fox

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Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,948

Quote:

Originally Posted by Logieuk

, 9

, 10

, J

UTG bets $0.07, 3 folds, Logieuk calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.15) 8

, 9

, 3

(2 players)
Logieuk checks, UTG bets $0.15, Logieuk raises to $0.56, UTG calls $0.41

Turn: ($1.27) 7

(2 players)
Logieuk bets $0.92, UTG calls $0.92

River: ($3.11) J

(2 players)
Logieuk bets $0.95 (All-In), UTG calls $0.95

Total pot: $5.01 | Rake: $0.24

Results:
Logieuk had A

, 9

, 10

, J

(straight, Jack high).
UTG had K

, K

, A

(flush, Ace high).
Outcome: UTG won $4.77

Could of been played different?

Don't think villain is ever folding as he seems to be on a war path but as mentioned bet more on turn(pot).

Quote:

Originally Posted by IgnatiusJR

3 folds, BTN raises to $0.85, Hero calls $0.75, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.95) 9

(2 players)
Hero...

Quote:

Originally Posted by lifes3ps

I like the c/r actually. If deeper I agree with you life, but with 100bb stacks assuming villain pots it if he bets(Most likely) we can raise to 7.9 which leaves us with one PSB left, which will be relatively easy to play with. Or alternatively I like c/c with intention of c/r turn over donking flop.

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Originally Posted by d7o1d1s0