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07-19-2012 , 08:11 AM
I like the flop donk.

I don't get the turn and river sizing. There is no protection value and I'm not sure if you get many calldowns from TT-KK when you pot-pot the turn and river. Especially since you led the flop. People will be more suspicious of your 3-barrels on these kinds of boards if you had initiative, but here you took initiative after a paired board appeared.

With smaller bets I think you get more value and it's going to cost you less when he flats turn and jams river with the 5.
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07-19-2012 , 08:28 AM
Envoy, i think river sizing is way too big. We scare away value here.

Bet half pot like 6-7. Much more profitable sizing.
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07-19-2012 , 12:49 PM
Thanks guys, I still tend to overplay these hands. Gotta curb it a bit.

Quote:
With smaller bets I think you get more value and it's going to cost you less when he flats turn and jams river with the 5.
This.
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07-19-2012 , 04:11 PM
A triple spot this time. I decided not to make a thread out of this cause given that villain just called the flop & turn it was a standard spot to fire the river.
He was 71/25 over 28 hands, so my thoughts otr were that I better bet big enough so that he's not tempted to call w/ whatever **** he's got. Also that I'd get sick if I checked & he showed me like 98.

Ott would you barrel if you didn't pick up the fd? I'm unsure of how often he'll fold here & the river but the gs combined with the fd gave me enough of a cushion to bet. Seems like I fundamentally should though cause if he just calls the turn we can likely get him off most of his range.
Rivers that you're not betting? 7/9/4/5/6 cause he might decide to hero us w/ 1p?

    IPoker, $0.10/$0.20 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    BB: $30.59 (153 bb)
    MP: $1.23 (6.1 bb)
    CO: $23.99 (120 bb)
    Hero (BTN): $60.59 (303 bb)
    SB: $20.36 (101.8 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with T 2 J A
    2 folds, Hero raises to $0.70, SB folds, BB calls $0.50

    Flop: ($1.50) 9 5 4 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $1, BB calls $1

    Turn: ($3.50) 6 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $2.50, BB calls $2.50

    River: ($8.50) K (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $6

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    07-19-2012 , 06:31 PM
    nh

    Only question in my mind is if we should consider checking back the flop, since a fish folds to a cbet almost zero percent on this texture.
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    07-20-2012 , 09:26 AM
    Unknowns, postive reinforcement


    Prima Network $20.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players - View hand 1830789
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    BB: $20.00
    Hero (UTG): $20.37
    MP: $11.66
    CO: $22.58
    BTN: $19.00
    SB: $54.91

    Pre Flop: ($0.30) Hero is UTG with 4 4 A A
    Hero raises to $0.70, MP calls $0.70, CO calls $0.70, 1 fold, SB calls $0.60, 1 fold

    Flop: ($3.00) K 9 Q (4 players)
    SB bets $3.00, Hero calls $3, MP folds, CO folds

    Turn: ($9.00) 5 (2 players)
    SB bets $4.50, Hero folds
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    07-20-2012 , 10:30 AM
    Never folding to halfpot there.
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    07-20-2012 , 10:35 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Envoy222
    A triple spot this time. I decided not to make a thread out of this cause given that villain just called the flop & turn it was a standard spot to fire the river.
    He was 71/25 over 28 hands, so my thoughts otr were that I better bet big enough so that he's not tempted to call w/ whatever **** he's got. Also that I'd get sick if I checked & he showed me like 98.

    Ott would you barrel if you didn't pick up the fd? I'm unsure of how often he'll fold here & the river but the gs combined with the fd gave me enough of a cushion to bet. Seems like I fundamentally should though cause if he just calls the turn we can likely get him off most of his range.
    Rivers that you're not betting? 7/9/4/5/6 cause he might decide to hero us w/ 1p?

      IPoker, $0.10/$0.20 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      BB: $30.59 (153 bb)
      MP: $1.23 (6.1 bb)
      CO: $23.99 (120 bb)
      Hero (BTN): $60.59 (303 bb)
      SB: $20.36 (101.8 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with T 2 J A
      2 folds, Hero raises to $0.70, SB folds, BB calls $0.50

      Flop: ($1.50) 9 5 4 (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $1, BB calls $1

      Turn: ($3.50) 6 (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $2.50, BB calls $2.50

      River: ($8.50) K (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $6

      Absolutely bet flop. Our hand has good BD potential, but any potential we pick up on turn if we haven't bet flop is somewhat mitigated.

      Turn is an odd spot. I expect villain to fold on this turn very little, but it's tough not to barrell with our picked up equity. Betting turn and checking river seems lik giving money away so i think a 3rd barrell is best. Obviously this depends on whether villain folds two pair here. If he doesn't and is just a super station, C/F turn can be ok.
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      07-20-2012 , 11:01 AM
      Quote:
      Obviously this depends on whether villain folds two pair here.
      When i bet the river it's with the intention of getting one pair and missed draws (that beat AJ-hi) to fold. And also to not get bluffed by missed draws that we beat.

      Is that bad?
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      07-20-2012 , 11:22 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Wolfram
      When i bet the river it's with the intention of getting one pair and missed draws (that beat AJ-hi) to fold. And also to not get bluffed by missed draws that we beat.

      Is that bad?
      The decision to barrell most rivers should be already be made when we make our turn decision. Fold equity on this turn is dependant, but against somewhat of a fish, the turn hits his range quite hard, so i wouldn't expect many folds.

      So if he is one of those super stations who doesn't like fold meh two pairs then it's probably wise to C/F turn. Otherwise, betting turn and river seem absolutely fine, and the intentions listed above make sense.
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      07-20-2012 , 11:23 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Jabonator
      Never folding to halfpot there.
      What about the flop call? He's almost certainly not gonna give us a decent price on the turn call, so shouldn't we just fold flop cause we'd essentially be calling a psb on a 4:1 shot.

      I don't have any reads as to whether or not he's a super station so I'd just chance it against an unknown & try to get him to fold 2p. (And he'll fold the one pair and missed draws range that Wolfram mentioned) So it's not all bad if he doesn't fold 2p & since we're readless it's worth a shot.
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      07-20-2012 , 11:32 AM
      With 2 guys behind us I'm never folding flop. You can get it in vs 2 straights, get a call from a worse fd, or something else, and you're getting nice odds again.
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      07-20-2012 , 08:17 PM
      vs 50/0/0 passive player

      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      PL Omaha $0.25(BB) Merge
      SB ($19.63)
      BB ($25)
      UTG ($20.35)
      UTG+1 ($5.54)
      CO ($7.41)
      Hero ($30.70)

      Dealt to Hero 9 T A 7

      fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, fold, Hero raises to $1.10, SB calls $1, fold, fold

      FLOP ($2.70) J 4 K

      SB bets $1.35, Hero raises to $6.75, SB calls $5.40

      TURN ($16.20) J 4 K 6

      SB checks, Hero bets $16.20 all in

      i raise pre because theres other passives there, what do u think of flop/turn here?
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      07-21-2012 , 03:04 AM
      WP.
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      07-21-2012 , 09:10 AM
        Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
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        BTN: $11.73 (117.3 bb)
        Hero (SB): $18.94 (189.4 bb)
        BB: $18.38 (183.8 bb)
        UTG: $12.49 (124.9 bb)
        MP: $11.63 (116.3 bb)
        CO: $5 (50 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is SB with J A A 8
        3 folds, BTN raises to $0.35, Hero raises to $1, BB folds, BTN calls $0.65

        Flop: ($2.10) 9 7 J (2 players)
        Hero bets $1.60, BTN raises to $6.81, Hero raises to $17.94 and is all-in, BTN calls $3.92 and is all-in


        is this OK against unknown plo10zoom player?
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        07-21-2012 , 12:51 PM
        ^i would fold to his raise


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        PL Omaha $0.25(BB) Replayer
        Hero ($45.46)
        ($36.97)

        Dealt to Hero K Q 9 2

        raises to $0.50, Hero calls $0.25

        FLOP ($1) 2 6 Q

        Hero checks, bets $0.66, Hero raises to $2.98, calls $2.32

        TURN ($6.96) 2 6 Q 8

        Hero bets $5, calls $5

        RIVER ($16.96) 2 6 Q 8 3

        vs a passive shortstack who doubled up.

        how do u play this hand... should i donk 3 streets rather than c/r flop?
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        07-21-2012 , 04:16 PM
        is this std

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        PL Omaha $0.25(BB) Replayer
        Hero ($48.94)
        ($19.03)
        CO ($13.50)

        Dealt to Hero 9 5 4 8

        calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, Hero checks

        FLOP ($0.75) 5 5 J

        Hero checks, checks, CO bets $0.75, Hero calls $0.75, folds

        TURN ($2.25) 5 5 J 6

        Hero checks, CO bets $2.25, Hero calls $2.25

        RIVER ($6.75) 5 5 J 6 3

        Hero checks
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        07-21-2012 , 06:48 PM
          Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
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          BTN: $10.27 (102.7 bb)
          SB: $70.44 (704.4 bb)
          BB: $58.19 (581.9 bb)
          Hero (UTG): $13.79 (137.9 bb)
          MP: $41.69 (416.9 bb)
          CO: $53.07 (530.7 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q 3 K Q
          Hero raises to $0.35, MP raises to $1.20, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.85

          Flop: ($2.55) J Q 8 (2 players)
          Hero checks, MP bets $1.09, Hero calls $1.09

          Turn: ($4.73) 5 (2 players)
          Hero checks, MP bets $3.10, Hero raises to $11.50 and is all-in, MP calls $8.40


          How did I play this hand?
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          07-22-2012 , 12:41 AM
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by mhowe
          is this std

          Grabbed by Holdem Manager
          PL Omaha $0.25(BB) Replayer
          Hero ($48.94)
          ($19.03)
          CO ($13.50)

          Dealt to Hero 9 5 4 8

          calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, Hero checks

          FLOP ($0.75) 5 5 J

          Hero checks, checks, CO bets $0.75, Hero calls $0.75, folds

          TURN ($2.25) 5 5 J 6

          Hero checks, CO bets $2.25, Hero calls $2.25

          RIVER ($6.75) 5 5 J 6 3

          Hero checks
          lead flop
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          07-22-2012 , 01:54 PM
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by Optimus91
            Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

            BTN: $11.73 (117.3 bb)
            Hero (SB): $18.94 (189.4 bb)
            BB: $18.38 (183.8 bb)
            UTG: $12.49 (124.9 bb)
            MP: $11.63 (116.3 bb)
            CO: $5 (50 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is SB with J A A 8
            3 folds, BTN raises to $0.35, Hero raises to $1, BB folds, BTN calls $0.65

            Flop: ($2.10) 9 7 J (2 players)
            Hero bets $1.60, BTN raises to $6.81, Hero raises to $17.94 and is all-in, BTN calls $3.92 and is all-in


            is this OK against unknown plo10zoom player?
            this seems pretty bad, more so at plo10.
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            07-23-2012 , 01:31 PM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by mhowe
            ^i would fold to his raise


            Grabbed by Holdem Manager
            PL Omaha $0.25(BB) Replayer
            Hero ($45.46)
            ($36.97)

            Dealt to Hero K Q 9 2

            raises to $0.50, Hero calls $0.25

            FLOP ($1) 2 6 Q

            Hero checks, bets $0.66, Hero raises to $2.98, calls $2.32

            TURN ($6.96) 2 6 Q 8

            Hero bets $5, calls $5

            RIVER ($16.96) 2 6 Q 8 3

            vs a passive shortstack who doubled up.

            how do u play this hand... should i donk 3 streets rather than c/r flop?
            You say your opponent is short stack?
            According to HH the other stack is also over 100bb deep.

            Vs that deep stack You could donk flop and turn and then c/c or c/f river.
            I would never donk bet all 3 streets.

            You can c/r the flop but dont go crazy with this hand when you get called.
            I would still bet the turn and check the river.
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            07-23-2012 , 01:36 PM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by mhowe
            is this std

            Grabbed by Holdem Manager
            PL Omaha $0.25(BB) Replayer
            Hero ($48.94)
            ($19.03)
            CO ($13.50)

            Dealt to Hero 9 5 4 8

            calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, Hero checks

            FLOP ($0.75) 5 5 J

            Hero checks, checks, CO bets $0.75, Hero calls $0.75, folds

            TURN ($2.25) 5 5 J 6

            Hero checks, CO bets $2.25, Hero calls $2.25

            RIVER ($6.75) 5 5 J 6 3

            Hero checks
            You have 2 options here.

            You could lead flop which I think is a good choice.
            Another thing you can do vs his stack size is actually raise and get it in.

            You have to have some post flop stats or info on your opponent to make better decisions.

            However calling flop and also turn is really a bad option. If he is betting flush draw you give him a chance to get there and depending on opponent you might miss out on value.

            Otherwise what is your plan on river after you call that turn? Check call again? Hope he checks it down?
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            07-23-2012 , 01:48 PM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by mhowe
            vs 50/0/0 passive player

            Grabbed by Holdem Manager
            PL Omaha $0.25(BB) Merge
            SB ($19.63)
            BB ($25)
            UTG ($20.35)
            UTG+1 ($5.54)
            CO ($7.41)
            Hero ($30.70)

            Dealt to Hero 9 T A 7

            fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, fold, Hero raises to $1.10, SB calls $1, fold, fold

            FLOP ($2.70) J 4 K

            SB bets $1.35, Hero raises to $6.75, SB calls $5.40

            TURN ($16.20) J 4 K 6

            SB checks, Hero bets $16.20 all in

            i raise pre because theres other passives there, what do u think of flop/turn here?
            As you said he is a passive player. Is he also passive post flop? Very important to note here is donk bet % and flop aggression.

            Against more agressive donk bettors I might raise it.

            Vs some1 more passive I would just call, you have a really good hand to call with, so why get it in vs passive player.

            Again, hard to make assumptions without knowing anything about post flop stats.
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            07-24-2012 , 05:10 PM
            Grabbed by Holdem Manager
            PL Omaha $1(BB)
            SB ($125)
            BB ($112)
            Hero ($193)
            CO ($101)
            BTN ($101)

            Dealt to Hero J 9 Q J

            Hero raises to $3.50, CO calls $3.50, BTN raises to $15.50, fold, fold, Hero calls $12, fold

            FLOP ($36) 3 T K

            Hero checks, BTN bets $27

            fold?
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            07-24-2012 , 06:42 PM
            if u have a history fo floating here or have a calling range u can call, u can jam if he 3bets wide...fold if hes really tight 3bettor
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