Posting Guidelines: Must be read by every new poster OR YOUŽLL GET BANNED!!!
02-06-2008
, 03:57 PM
WHAT TO KNOW BEFORE YOU START POSTING
A guide to good posting in the PLO Hi forum
Hello, and welcome to the Two Plus Two Pot Limit Omaha forum. We are happy that you're here. Without its members, this forum would not exist, and every person who posts on this board helps to make it the best free resource available for learning how to play profitable poker.
To make this forum even better and useful, it is necessary to follow certain rules. Hopefully, by reading these guidelines and following them, you will learn a lot, help other people, and avoid being banned by the tyrrannic mod of this forum!
Hope to see you around,
Hercules
What kind of forum am I looking at?
- This is a Strategy Forum
2p2 is a big site which has been sectioned off into different areas of interest. What this means in essence is that certain things are appropriate on some areas of the site, and are not appropriate in others. This forum is a strategy forum, meaning that the basic purpose of this forum is to discuss poker theory and post PLO hands which we can talk about. What this also means is that just about everything else you can think of to start a thread about in this forum is not appropriate.
So what am i allowed to post about?
Things which are not appropriate to start new threads about in PLO
- How good you play
- How you're so unlucky
- Asking where you can get free stuff
- Asking if you can buy a database
- Asking a question which has already been answered a million times
If you wanna discuss/tell others about that stuff, post it in the Beats, Brags & Variance forum.
How can I find out what has already been answered before?
Use the search function, or check out the strategy sticky thread. Searching is really easy. Just click search at the top border of the forum, and then select "Advanced search". You can now select to only search in the Omaha Hi forum. Just type in the keywords you would like to seach for, and see if you get any good posts up. If not, you can make a new one in the forum.
So basically one should only post hand with interesting strategy content. But what about small talk\community chat?
Yes, mainly we are here to discuss poker. But its a really cool thing to know other players and chat some off topic. Therefore we created a monthly LOW CONTENT THREAD. You will usually see it on the first page
Things that belong to the Low Content' monthly thread
- How good/bad you ran today
- Asking where the games are good
- Posting your graph/results
- Telling how bad your day was\how boring your job\uni is
- And anything else you want to share
How do i post a pokerhand properly?
Okay, here are the basic criteria for a good post in this forum. Some are optional, others are mandatory. If you have all of these in your post, you get a gold star. If you have some, you get accepted. If you have none, few people will read you post, and that's not your intention, is it?
If you are a beginner to poker and donŽt know what HandHistories, PokerTracker and the other crazy stuff is, which most of the people here are talking about, its time to get the n00b out of you. Take your time in the Beginner Forum and learn the basics.
1. One hand only per post
We are all volunteers here, none of us (not even the mods) are paid. So when you come to us with a post that contains 34 hands, you look like a rude, self obsessed and ignorant fool, because it looks like you expect someone to actually sit down and trawl through your dross, like we have nothing better to do with our time. If you have almost no posts, if looks even worse. Keep your posts to one hand at a time. If you have a recurring problem, then post one hand and say "This keeps happening to me, how can I stop it?". If the hands are similar, there is no need to post more than one. The practice of posting more than one hand when the hands bear no relation to one another is frowned upon and will negatively affect the quality of the advice you receive.
There are exceptions to this rule. If you have history with a player, it is often extremely beneficial to post the hand which gave you your read, or which you feel got under his skin and put him on tilt, or where he stacked off light etc etc. You can say "I noticed such and such about this hand *post hand* and now onto the hand in question". This helps us all to understand your reasoning. Or, you can post two hands where you have the same hole cards, and similar action, yet you are in different positions. You can say "how does my being in position in this hand *post hand* make the optimal play different than when I am OOP in this hand *post hand*?.
2. Convert your hand history
If you played a hand online, and want advice on that hand, you should convert your hand. Here is a Hand Converter Guide from AJmargarine, so everybody can now convert their hands without an excuse! If the 2+2 converter doesnt work for whatever reason, there are plenty other converters around. Look around and youŽll find them.
It is simply not good enough to post a raw hand history into a post and expect people to decypher it. They are very hard to read and most people will just ignore your post and you wont get any replies. Converting your post is very easy. If you for some reason cannot convert your hand, at least make an effort to tidy the hand history up a little. Remember that I'm telling you this for your benefit - if nobody can read your post, they wont bother to reply to you.
3. Give reads
Poker is a dynamic and fluctuating game where observing your opponent, as well as yourself, plays a crucial part in determining the best course of action in a particular hand. Thats why we supply reads with our posts. Here's a good checklist of questions to answer in your post body:
You get the picture - the more information you can supply us with, the better we can form our own conclusions about the hand.
4. Outline your thought processes
We need to know why you did a certain thing in the hand, if it isn't immediately obvious. If you raised the turn when you normally call, tell us why. This doesn't have to be extremely detailed, just tell us what you're doing. For example "I usually would just call the turn with TT here but I decided to raise because vs this guy I feel like he can call off with his straight draw, which would be +EV for me. What do you guys think?". Sometimes you might not explain your thought process, because you are afraid that will influence the advice you are given.
5. Do NOT post results
Don't include the results (i.e. your opponents final action or cards) when you post your hand. This influences the responses you will recieve because people get results oriented. You should chop your hand history at the point where you want to ask what to do. For example, you get bet into on the turn, and you want to know whether to fold, call or raise. In reality, you folded, but if you put that in your post then people will see that you folded and make all sorts of judgements about what you should have done and how you play weak etc etc. If you just leave it so you don't show what you did, your responses will be much more positive because people will be forced to think about what they would do, rather than what you did.
Again there are exceptions here. If you want to ask about a line, ie. all decisions which you took from beginning to the end of the hand, then post the whole hand. BUT - STILL DON'T POST RESULTS. You can reveal results to everyone once the discussion has run its due course.
6. Don't make your thread title obvious
You may have been able to establish by now that the objective of good posting in this forum is to disguise the results of the hand you played so you don't influence the minds of those who are responding to you. So when you post a hand with a subject of "Anything else I could do here?" or "Bad beat or bad luck"? or "Could I get away here?" or "Played wrong?" you automatically let the poster know that you lost the hand and you think that you misplayed it. Don't do this. You must keep your title non-specific, like "50PLO: AA facing turn raise" or "50PLO-6max: Strong draw gets a lot of action on the flop" or something like this. Just describe the situation you are in, and then in the thread, ask what you think you should do. Don't influence the minds of the posters, give them a chance to think for themselves.
7. Do not post boring and standard hands
Of course this is subjective, but only to a certain point. If you're unsure about a hand, you should post it, but if you post about something that has been gone over a million times, like "Should I fold AAKK preflop?" or "Should I stack off with a set and a flush draw?" then you'll probably have your thread locked. If you have a really, really standard spot that you're still not sure about, but it doesn't warrant its own thread, post it in the low conent thread! That's what its there for.
8. Do not post one word replies
It's not interesting to know your opinion if you don't tell us your arguments or thoughts. So please spare us the "fold", "call" and "lol" posts.
That's it! Thank you for reading. Hopefully this intro helped, and that you are ready to post your first hand. Make sure to check out the strategy sticky, too. It is a collection of good threads and strategy advice from experienced players.
A guide to good posting in the PLO Hi forum
Hello, and welcome to the Two Plus Two Pot Limit Omaha forum. We are happy that you're here. Without its members, this forum would not exist, and every person who posts on this board helps to make it the best free resource available for learning how to play profitable poker.
To make this forum even better and useful, it is necessary to follow certain rules. Hopefully, by reading these guidelines and following them, you will learn a lot, help other people, and avoid being banned by the tyrrannic mod of this forum!
Hope to see you around,
Hercules
What kind of forum am I looking at?
- This is a Strategy Forum
2p2 is a big site which has been sectioned off into different areas of interest. What this means in essence is that certain things are appropriate on some areas of the site, and are not appropriate in others. This forum is a strategy forum, meaning that the basic purpose of this forum is to discuss poker theory and post PLO hands which we can talk about. What this also means is that just about everything else you can think of to start a thread about in this forum is not appropriate.
So what am i allowed to post about?
Things which are not appropriate to start new threads about in PLO
- How good you play
- How you're so unlucky
- Asking where you can get free stuff
- Asking if you can buy a database
- Asking a question which has already been answered a million times
If you wanna discuss/tell others about that stuff, post it in the Beats, Brags & Variance forum.
How can I find out what has already been answered before?
Use the search function, or check out the strategy sticky thread. Searching is really easy. Just click search at the top border of the forum, and then select "Advanced search". You can now select to only search in the Omaha Hi forum. Just type in the keywords you would like to seach for, and see if you get any good posts up. If not, you can make a new one in the forum.
So basically one should only post hand with interesting strategy content. But what about small talk\community chat?
Yes, mainly we are here to discuss poker. But its a really cool thing to know other players and chat some off topic. Therefore we created a monthly LOW CONTENT THREAD. You will usually see it on the first page
Things that belong to the Low Content' monthly thread
- How good/bad you ran today
- Asking where the games are good
- Posting your graph/results
- Telling how bad your day was\how boring your job\uni is
- And anything else you want to share
How do i post a pokerhand properly?
Okay, here are the basic criteria for a good post in this forum. Some are optional, others are mandatory. If you have all of these in your post, you get a gold star. If you have some, you get accepted. If you have none, few people will read you post, and that's not your intention, is it?
If you are a beginner to poker and donŽt know what HandHistories, PokerTracker and the other crazy stuff is, which most of the people here are talking about, its time to get the n00b out of you. Take your time in the Beginner Forum and learn the basics.
1. One hand only per post
We are all volunteers here, none of us (not even the mods) are paid. So when you come to us with a post that contains 34 hands, you look like a rude, self obsessed and ignorant fool, because it looks like you expect someone to actually sit down and trawl through your dross, like we have nothing better to do with our time. If you have almost no posts, if looks even worse. Keep your posts to one hand at a time. If you have a recurring problem, then post one hand and say "This keeps happening to me, how can I stop it?". If the hands are similar, there is no need to post more than one. The practice of posting more than one hand when the hands bear no relation to one another is frowned upon and will negatively affect the quality of the advice you receive.
There are exceptions to this rule. If you have history with a player, it is often extremely beneficial to post the hand which gave you your read, or which you feel got under his skin and put him on tilt, or where he stacked off light etc etc. You can say "I noticed such and such about this hand *post hand* and now onto the hand in question". This helps us all to understand your reasoning. Or, you can post two hands where you have the same hole cards, and similar action, yet you are in different positions. You can say "how does my being in position in this hand *post hand* make the optimal play different than when I am OOP in this hand *post hand*?.
2. Convert your hand history
If you played a hand online, and want advice on that hand, you should convert your hand. Here is a Hand Converter Guide from AJmargarine, so everybody can now convert their hands without an excuse! If the 2+2 converter doesnt work for whatever reason, there are plenty other converters around. Look around and youŽll find them.
It is simply not good enough to post a raw hand history into a post and expect people to decypher it. They are very hard to read and most people will just ignore your post and you wont get any replies. Converting your post is very easy. If you for some reason cannot convert your hand, at least make an effort to tidy the hand history up a little. Remember that I'm telling you this for your benefit - if nobody can read your post, they wont bother to reply to you.
3. Give reads
Poker is a dynamic and fluctuating game where observing your opponent, as well as yourself, plays a crucial part in determining the best course of action in a particular hand. Thats why we supply reads with our posts. Here's a good checklist of questions to answer in your post body:
- How have you been playing? (Loose/Tight, Aggressive/Passive)
- What are your PAHUD stats for this session? Overall?
- How has villain been playing?
- What are villains PAHUD stats for this session? Overall?
- Have you noticed any betting patterns villain has? (Calling station, bluff maniac etc.)
- Have you tangled with villain before? Does he have a reason to think a certain way about you?
- Has villain shown down any odd or non-standard hands, and what did you deduce about this?
- Is villain playing multiple tables?
- etc etc etc.
You get the picture - the more information you can supply us with, the better we can form our own conclusions about the hand.
4. Outline your thought processes
We need to know why you did a certain thing in the hand, if it isn't immediately obvious. If you raised the turn when you normally call, tell us why. This doesn't have to be extremely detailed, just tell us what you're doing. For example "I usually would just call the turn with TT here but I decided to raise because vs this guy I feel like he can call off with his straight draw, which would be +EV for me. What do you guys think?". Sometimes you might not explain your thought process, because you are afraid that will influence the advice you are given.
5. Do NOT post results
Don't include the results (i.e. your opponents final action or cards) when you post your hand. This influences the responses you will recieve because people get results oriented. You should chop your hand history at the point where you want to ask what to do. For example, you get bet into on the turn, and you want to know whether to fold, call or raise. In reality, you folded, but if you put that in your post then people will see that you folded and make all sorts of judgements about what you should have done and how you play weak etc etc. If you just leave it so you don't show what you did, your responses will be much more positive because people will be forced to think about what they would do, rather than what you did.
Again there are exceptions here. If you want to ask about a line, ie. all decisions which you took from beginning to the end of the hand, then post the whole hand. BUT - STILL DON'T POST RESULTS. You can reveal results to everyone once the discussion has run its due course.
6. Don't make your thread title obvious
You may have been able to establish by now that the objective of good posting in this forum is to disguise the results of the hand you played so you don't influence the minds of those who are responding to you. So when you post a hand with a subject of "Anything else I could do here?" or "Bad beat or bad luck"? or "Could I get away here?" or "Played wrong?" you automatically let the poster know that you lost the hand and you think that you misplayed it. Don't do this. You must keep your title non-specific, like "50PLO: AA facing turn raise" or "50PLO-6max: Strong draw gets a lot of action on the flop" or something like this. Just describe the situation you are in, and then in the thread, ask what you think you should do. Don't influence the minds of the posters, give them a chance to think for themselves.
7. Do not post boring and standard hands
Of course this is subjective, but only to a certain point. If you're unsure about a hand, you should post it, but if you post about something that has been gone over a million times, like "Should I fold AAKK preflop?" or "Should I stack off with a set and a flush draw?" then you'll probably have your thread locked. If you have a really, really standard spot that you're still not sure about, but it doesn't warrant its own thread, post it in the low conent thread! That's what its there for.
8. Do not post one word replies
It's not interesting to know your opinion if you don't tell us your arguments or thoughts. So please spare us the "fold", "call" and "lol" posts.
That's it! Thank you for reading. Hopefully this intro helped, and that you are ready to post your first hand. Make sure to check out the strategy sticky, too. It is a collection of good threads and strategy advice from experienced players.
