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PLOz 5, low wrap+fd vs single raise PLOz 5, low wrap+fd vs single raise

04-08-2018 , 06:49 PM
Hey guys,

Did not play PLO for some years, because i switch to mtt and sng. From time to time i play a few hands just for fun and after some time i start to tilt.

Pre is normal. Since this is micro stakes i think that i have enough equity to raise gii. Is it? Players do very spewy things so idk in this exact spot do i have to gii or to call? If i had nfd + higher wrap i gii for sure but here i think that i have to call because some/a lot of the time i should be dominated. And how big spew is this if it is? Stats for SB - 27/18/11 for 200hands,
Ty

PokerStars Zoom Hand #184988670120: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.02/$0.05) - 2018/04/09 0:43:25 EET [2018/04/08 17:43:25 ET]
Table 'Lynx' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: E|*dUraKo ($2.34 in chips)
Seat 2: pokerenwedde ($4.41 in chips)
Seat 3: mecantplay ($6.17 in chips)
Seat 4: kk4ever888 ($10.43 in chips)
Seat 5: livbo ($10.10 in chips)
Seat 6: Adam4_Condor ($0.59 in chips)
pokerenwedde: posts small blind $0.02
mecantplay: posts big blind $0.05
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mecantplay [Jd 8s 8h 9d]
kk4ever888: folds
livbo: calls $0.05
Adam4_Condor: folds
E|*dUraKo: folds
pokerenwedde: raises $0.15 to $0.20
mecantplay: calls $0.15
livbo: calls $0.15
*** FLOP *** [7d Qd Th]
pokerenwedde: bets $0.35
mecantplay: raises $1 to $1.35
livbo: folds
pokerenwedde: raises $2.86 to $4.21 and is all-in
mecantplay: calls $2.86
*** TURN *** [7d Qd Th] [6h]
*** RIVER *** [7d Qd Th 6h] [Ac]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Spoiler:
pokerenwedde: shows [7s 9c 6d Td] (two pair, Tens and Sevens)
mecantplay: shows [Jd 8s 8h 9d] (a straight, Six to Ten)
mecantplay collected $8.67 from pot
PLOz 5, low wrap+fd vs single raise Quote
04-08-2018 , 07:39 PM
Jam city. Youve got the nuts plus redraws. Lots of worse hands end up calling, combo draws, maybe top set.
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04-08-2018 , 09:32 PM
Sorry. Missread that, thought you flopped the straight. I still probably jam. You are a favorite over a naked set here.
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04-08-2018 , 10:13 PM
Nah, not to sure bro. He can have bigger wraps + fd, that is the problem here. If it was 3 bet pot or let say 50bb eff its a ship, but here idk for sure.
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04-08-2018 , 10:27 PM
Ha i sow that my hand does not have picture on the cards and it is kind of different to other, did not post hand for a lot of time. Now figured it out

    Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    SB: $4.41 (88.2 bb)
    Hero (BB): $6.17 (123.4 bb)
    UTG: $10.43 (208.6 bb)
    MP: $10.10 (202 bb)
    CO: $0.59 (11.8 bb)
    BTN: $2.34 (46.8 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with J 8 8 9
    UTG folds, MP calls $0.05, 2 folds, SB raises to $0.20, Hero calls $0.15, MP calls $0.15

    Flop: ($0.60) 7 Q T (3 players)
    SB bets $0.35, Hero raises to $1.35, MP folds, SB raises to $4.21 and is all-in, Hero calls $2.86

    Turn: ($9.02) 6 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    River: ($9.02) A (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: $9.02 pot ($0.35 rake)
    Final Board: 7 Q T 6 A
    SB showed 7 9 6 T and lost (-$4.41 net)
    Hero showed J 8 8 9 and won $8.67 ($4.26 net)
    MP mucked and lost (-$0.20 net)
    PLOz 5, low wrap+fd vs single raise Quote
    04-09-2018 , 08:33 AM
    Bigger wraps are certainly possible but not likely given preflop action. If he has a top wrap he's likely raising pre.
    I see 2pr or sets much more likely here. Regardless once you put in the first raise you are commited IMO.
    PLOz 5, low wrap+fd vs single raise Quote
    04-12-2018 , 03:24 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mecantplay
    Nah, not to sure bro. He can have bigger wraps + fd, that is the problem here. If it was 3 bet pot or let say 50bb eff its a ship, but here idk for sure.
    I'm not sure if you are thinking of combinatorics right. It is basically impossible for you to be up against a better wrap + FD often enough.

    ProPokerTools Odds Oracle Results
    Omaha Hi, Generic syntax
    Board - 7dQdTh
    PLAYER_1 Jd8s8h9d
    PLAYER_2 $FI20:((AKJ,KJ9):dd,QQ,Add:(98,AJ8,AK86,J9,K96,KJ) )
    600000 trials (randomized)

     Equity %Wins Hi %Ties Hi %Wins Hi CountTies Hi Count 
    Jd8s8h9d47.9549%47.0672%1.7755%28240310653 
    $FI20:((AKJ,KJ9):dd,...52.0451%51.1573%1.7755%30694410653 

    I already had to remove hands as strong as all lower sets, J98+dd, and 2pr+FD type hands (I left in the Add+OESD stuff because that happens to dominate you).

    Now additionally, in order to be up against a higher wrap+FD often, you need your opponent to think stacking off with bare QQ is bad, lol.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sdclaw
    Bigger wraps are certainly possible but not likely given preflop action. If he has a top wrap he's likely raising pre.
    I see 2pr or sets much more likely here. Regardless once you put in the first raise you are commited IMO.
    He did raise pre. Still quite unlikely.
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