UTG: is a 29/18 reg over 1.4k hands. EP VPIP is 20%
SB and BB are 64/35 and 75/15 over 60 hands and they are going all the way. It is a crazy action table.
After UTG isoreraise: Our decission is to get it in or to fold preflop. We are probably behind vs. UTG range and he has some of our cards in his range like AKxx, AQxx and of course AAxx hands. He blocks also our str8 possibility But we need 25% equity here vs. 3 and more people right?
Is folding for 100BB pre ok here? If we are 200BB or more deep can we call here?
(didn't feel a dream flop is coming...)
Preflop: Hero is MP with Q K J K
UTG raises to $1.75, Hero calls $1.75, CO calls $1.75, BTN raises to $6.83 and is all-in, SB calls $6.58, BB calls $6.33, UTG raises to $37.65, 2 folds, SB calls $30.82, BB calls $30.82
Flop: ($123.28) 4 K 8 (4 players, 1 is all-in)
SB bets $77.83, BB calls $2.33 and is all-in, UTG calls $30.91 and is all-in
Turn: ($187.43) 5 (4 players, 3 are all-in) River: ($187.43) J (4 players, 3 are all-in)
Spoiler:
Results: $187.43 pot ($2 rake)
Final Board: 4 K 8 5 J
SB showed T 8 K 9 and won $185.43 ($116.87 net)
BB showed T T J 8 and lost (-$39.98 net)
UTG showed Q A A 6 and lost (-$68.56 net)
BTN showed J 3 6 Q and lost (-$6.83 net)
I disregarded the shortie AI, since we're not concerned about our equity against him but our equity in the side pot. The blinds need to have like 80% ranges in order for the stack off to be good. And what makes it even worse is that the utg range is likely very heavily weighted towards AA.
This is usually a good spot to make a solid fold with KK. Sure you're fine getting this hand in against some of the shorties but when you're 100bbs+ deep against a range that is pretty much only AAxx you should fold given how much of an equity dog you will be heads up vs AA let alone multi way.
Imo its totally dependent on how "gambly" you feel and how much edges you think you got on them overall.
Yeah,prolly reg UTG has AAxx and vs that you behind,but if the droolers are calling jams w Axxx hands then they are blocking him and your equity goes up.Not to mention that your hand is smooth and connected enough that even against a crappy AAxx youre not doing terrible.
If you think its an absolute waste of EV to be involved in anykind of gamble with those guys cause they are so bad that you gonna stack them anyways for sure in other,safer spots then ok,fold.
Personally if its 4ways,the 2 guys are ******s and maybe im down or even,ill take the gamble,since there will be extreme value if you get deep with a fish on future hands.
Imo its totally dependent on how "gambly" you feel and how much edges you think you got on them overall.
Yeah,prolly reg UTG has AAxx and vs that you behind,but if the droolers are calling jams w Axxx hands then they are blocking him and your equity goes up.Not to mention that your hand is smooth and connected enough that even against a crappy AAxx youre not doing terrible.
If you think its an absolute waste of EV to be involved in anykind of gamble with those guys cause they are so bad that you gonna stack them anyways for sure in other,safer spots then ok,fold.
Personally if its 4ways,the 2 guys are ******s and maybe im down or even,ill take the gamble,since there will be extreme value if you get deep with a fish on future hands.
people need to realize how ****ty a hand KK is against exactly AA. Being "smooth and connected" looks and sounds good, but against exactly AA? garbage.
people need to realize how ****ty a hand KK is against exactly AA. Being "smooth and connected" looks and sounds good, but against exactly AA? garbage.
I have heard in one of the videos of Doug with JNandez how he is explain the monkey solver for PLO and how much benefit it is for the GTO game. But I still can't see hot you can calculate the perfekt range of everybody at the table if people play some crappy hands some of the time and made also still a lot of mistakes pre and postflop...