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PLO50 KK88ds UTG deep vs. reg and whale PLO50 KK88ds UTG deep vs. reg and whale

11-04-2017 , 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Oink
You played it perfect imo.

Min raising is fine preflop. Yes its KK88ds and some will point out that its a top 5% hand that has a massive equity edge vs the hands that will come into the pot with you, but its not a nutty hand and you dont hit the flop that often. Equity is irrelevant as we all know. You are oop with a hand that doesnt play well unless you hit Kxx, so keep the pot small. Maybe open limp just to be on the safe side.

Easy flat vs the 3bet and callers. Dont want to play too big a pot with theis semi trash holding. Ok, some will point out that you have 50% equity vs 100% and 30%!AA, but forget about that. Equity is useless in a flop game like PLO. I might even consider a fold here, because we are not closing the action.

Flop is such an easy fold. You are always up against top two pair or better and a nut flush draw. You only invested $5, no reason to throw good money after bad money.

Based on the hands you post I can not understand why you dont beat online poker. You seem to have a solid grasp of the theory. Maybe you just run bad or have the wrong mind set, maybe you are just unfortunate enough to not be able to control your tilting - well thats certainly not ur fault, just bad luck!!!

Some will say you should get better at the theoretical points and just push ****ing massive equity edges when you get the chance, but forget about that, they dont know what they talking about. PLO is a flop game, where you should also use your feelings and 6th sense to make good lay downs, when you just know you are beat.
Does this also apply to KKTT/KKJJ/KKQQ?

I don't know if I overvalue KK88ds, but in a spot where i can pay to know if someone has AA or have a good inkling no one has AA then I can be re potting KKQQ, maybe I don't realise that KK88 loses alot of equity from not having straights
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11-05-2017 , 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by MartinK1979
I was expect him to 5 bet me after I am going to pot it pre..He was never calling anything so far. He was only reraising everything from any position...So there would be more than 150$ in the pot and I would going to c-bet any no A flop for more than 1/2 pot. So I would put about 100$ pre and on the flop and still don't know about my equity and if he has any random 4 cards and would hit the flop with a pair he has about 35% equity, enough for him to jam over my c-bet..So I am playing with my whole 400BB stack here oop in the dark.
Is this really good?
If you didn't want that against a known maniac, then you should have just limped preflop instead and kept the pot smaller.

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11-05-2017 , 03:54 PM
*Crunch

I would have done the same pre, except after BTN raises I would have potted it again even 150bb deep, excpecting to push out CO and should BTN not decide to reraise I would then look to get it in on this flop.

(still somewhat new to plo so please critique my answer by all means)

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Crap, didnt see that there are that many people in the hand pre, still I would have repotted looking to go headsup to the flop
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11-05-2017 , 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Mt.FishNoob
Does this also apply to KKTT/KKJJ/KKQQ?

I don't know if I overvalue KK88ds, but in a spot where i can pay to know if someone has AA or have a good inkling no one has AA then I can be re potting KKQQ, maybe I don't realise that KK88 loses alot of equity from not having straights
Mt.FishNoob and others who don`t have sense for irony and cynicism

Oink was thinking that with these circumstances against these described opponent this was slam dunk 4bet for value.Oink can you confirm pls?
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11-07-2017 , 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Purasevic
Mt.FishNoob and others who don`t have sense for irony and cynicism
I always prided myself for my sense of irony and cynicism and I sense more in your post than his. Maybe I'm bottom of this chain.

My game has altered slightly from his post so I hope that he was serious.

9966 or JJ55?
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11-07-2017 , 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Oink
Equity is irrelevant as we all know.


Martin, if you're not trolling with your play and thoughts itt or the other threads on the front page, just give up. Take up checkers, candy crush, or something.

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Originally Posted by Mt.FishNoob
I always prided myself for my sense of irony and cynicism and I sense more in your post than his. Maybe I'm bottom of this chain.

My game has altered slightly from his post so I hope that he was serious.

9966 or JJ55?
I can't tell if there's a leveling war going on or not. Just read what I quoted above.
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11-08-2017 , 03:17 AM
I am serious here..@isolated hey I am doing fine atm at PLO50, not great but fine after 20k hands last and this month..still waiting to show you all a nice 200k hands winning graph to bring all my haters down. Thats my goal and thats what I can achive and what I belive. So nothing to worry about.
Sure I have to learn to play more +EV way in some spots but why I should give up the great game of pot limit omaha one more time?
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11-08-2017 , 01:25 PM
Oink is the chickenman. believe me.
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11-09-2017 , 01:12 AM
@isolate my 10k hands this month at PLO50:
https://imgur.com/a/wjapj

like I said its not great and its a small samplesize, I know. But I study my game, after every session I go through my hands, 3 bet pots, c-bet, 2nd barrel pots and looking at my positions stats. I am improving a little bit..still a long way to go..posting some interessting hands here, from my point of view. But I don't want give up or move up this time until I can prove I can beat a level.
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11-09-2017 , 06:19 PM
Martin, this might seem harsh but I don't mean to attack you personally.

Have you ever heard of Dunning–Kruger effect? I would look it up, that winrate seems very high for the knowledge you've displayed/talked about on this thread. 10k hands is nothing in plo as everyone is going to say so it's mostly meaningless. .isolated has been around the block a lot longer than myself and hasn't commented to my knowledge in SSPLO recently. To someone just showing up, your comments look like pure troll because to a player who knows what they doing a lot of the questions you ask seem generally absurd to the point he thinks you are a troll.

If your having fun with poker than great, keep on doing that. If your goal is to make money you're approach is not the greatest and you are going to have to either pay for a coach or change your thought process because you have a long way to go.

Maybe get RIO essential and watch some galfond videos where he reviews some plo100 and plo200 players as a starting spot. At this point that's less then one BI if you are playing plo50.
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11-10-2017 , 12:44 AM
@Darkfangs
I know that 10k hands is nothing..Some guys play it in one day..I need ten days because I have a day job and poker is just a hobby for me.I want get better at this hobby so I posting some hands here and I think thats help me a lot to improve my game, my approch and my mindset. I have fun play poker again and its really cool that I am here in 2p2and can talk about my experience. Yesterday for example I have spent almost 2 hours in my HM manager going through all different stats and situation, I never did this before but that help me a lot because to see my leaks and how I can get fix it and where I should looking for and what is important for my game to get better....I know I have a long way to go, becuase I have some (huge) leaks and some people here try to blame me for my play but also there are some people who try to help me, like you do and I appreciate this.
My goal is to show one day a nice winning graph over a huge samplesize (200k to 300k) hands to show you that I can beat the game and I know I can achive my goal no matter what everybody else think about it.
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11-10-2017 , 12:59 PM
That sounds like a great attitude. It's likely going to be much harder than you think but put the work into improving and you will do fine. GL
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