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06-14-2020 , 08:26 AM
Does villain have enough bluffs to herocall this river?

UTG: $25.82 (51.6 bb)
MP: $67.34 (134.7 bb)
CO: $50.00 (100 bb)
Hero (BTN): $103.79 (207.6 bb)
SB: $56.32 (112.6 bb)
BB: $50.00 (100 bb)

SB posts $0.25, BB posts $0.50, CO posts $0.50

Pre Flop: [i](pot: $1.25)Hero has T 9 T A
fold, MP calls $0.50, CO checks, Hero calls $0.50, SB calls $0.25, BB checks

Flop: ($2.50, 5 players) K 4 7
SB checks, BB checks, MP checks, CO bets $2.38, Hero calls $2.38, fold, BB calls $2.38, MP calls $2.38

Turn: ($12.02, 4 players) T
BB checks, MP checks, CO checks, Hero bets $11.42, BB calls $11.42, fold, CO calls $11.42

River: ($46.28, 3 players) K
BB checks, CO bets $35.70 and is all-in, Hero calls $35.70
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06-14-2020 , 09:43 AM
Funky hand since from what I can tell, CO's preflop range here is 100% of hands, right? Otherwise we could discount so many Kxxx boats since it's rare to play combos with K7xx and K4xx pre but here he can actually have ALL of them. Not sure I'm capable of folding river here anyways

Pre is a raise without a single doubt btw
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06-14-2020 , 01:31 PM
Not sure whats going on with CO close to potting flop and c/c a blank turn.
I'm not folding river here anyway.
Don't like that turn sizing with our hand, we turned gin and don't see the reason to pot it, river SPR will be >1 if we bet smaller and we don't want to push out weak diamonds and Kxx here.
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06-14-2020 , 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Loctus
Funky hand since from what I can tell, CO's preflop range here is 100% of hands, right? Otherwise we could discount so many Kxxx boats since it's rare to play combos with K7xx and K4xx pre but here he can actually have ALL of them. Not sure I'm capable of folding river here anyways

Pre is a raise without a single doubt btw
Yeah I can’t remember why I didn’t raise tbh. Maybe messing with my HUD or something. But yes, given CO posted and I didn’t raise, he could have all K7 and K4 hands.

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Originally Posted by Travbana
Not sure whats going on with CO close to potting flop and c/c a blank turn.
I'm not folding river here anyway.
Don't like that turn sizing with our hand, we turned gin and don't see the reason to pot it, river SPR will be >1 if we bet smaller and we don't want to push out weak diamonds and Kxx here.
My reason for potting it was the amount of draws on board, But maybe 2/3 is better and sets up a psb riv shove.
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06-15-2020 , 01:35 AM
Meh, not sure population has enough bluffs to call river.
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06-15-2020 , 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by monikrazy
Meh, not sure population has enough bluffs to call river.
You're right, but they still have a bunch of wierdly 44,77, Kxxx type of hands we beat.
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06-15-2020 , 11:07 AM
i'm probably not folding here against population, but i feel like we're losing a decent portion of the time. with no dynamic in these situations, i typically call and make a note. people can show up with mindless bluffs here sometimes, as well as just perhaps AKxx.
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06-15-2020 , 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by thesublimeobject
i'm probably not folding here against population, but i feel like we're losing a decent portion of the time. with no dynamic in these situations, i typically call and make a note. people can show up with mindless bluffs here sometimes, as well as just perhaps AKxx.
I don't play these stakes but potting K4/K7 5way is terrible, i see more sets taking that line than two pair, esp since pretty much every turncard is bad for them and changes the current nuts.
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06-16-2020 , 09:55 AM
I was calling the river just from the thread title.

Preflop is a big mistake. Having a hand this strong behind a limper and a poster should make you hard. Up to you whether you slip on some lube but you should be lifting the table hands-free here.

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Originally Posted by monikrazy
Meh, not sure population has enough bluffs to call river.
Whether they do or don't have enough bluffs - I disagree - they certainly have enough worse hands they're betting for value to justify a call.
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06-16-2020 , 10:50 AM
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I don't play these stakes but potting K4/K7 5way is terrible, i see more sets taking that line than two pair, esp since pretty much every turncard is bad for them and changes the current nuts.
i do play these stakes and people pot these flops with two pairs frequently. and on this board, i typically see most players betting their set on that turn card as well. not to say it couldn't be a set, or even that it is definitely two pair, but in my experience pretty much anything could be in this range given the line villain took.
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06-16-2020 , 10:59 AM
If this is PLO 50 on Stars then I'd call as I'd expect population to be betting their sets on that turn a very high % of the time. Others have already commented on the pre.
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06-16-2020 , 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Phaze 1
If this is PLO 50 on Stars then I'd call as I'd expect population to be betting their sets on that turn a very high % of the time. Others have already commented on the pre.
If you expect him to bet sets on the turn (which i'd agree with), what you expecting him to pot flop, ch/call PSB turn and shove river with... I think the fact you are cutting down sets from his range make it less of a call rather than more of a call.

Honestly I think he has K7 here a bunch, but I'd still call because randoms who limp can do stupid stuff.
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06-17-2020 , 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by TwistedEcho
If you expect him to bet sets on the turn (which i'd agree with), what you expecting him to pot flop, ch/call PSB turn and shove river with... I think the fact you are cutting down sets from his range make it less of a call rather than more of a call.

Honestly I think he has K7 here a bunch, but I'd still call because randoms who limp can do stupid stuff.
I misread the HH. My bad. I like the call a lot less now as I expect you to lose a very high % of the time given the line the villain took. Agree this look like Kx boat.
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06-18-2020 , 03:01 AM
Villain showed up with 456* fwiw
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06-25-2020 , 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by tonic1223
Does villain have enough bluffs to herocall this river?

UTG: $25.82 (51.6 bb)
MP: $67.34 (134.7 bb)
CO: $50.00 (100 bb)
Hero (BTN): $103.79 (207.6 bb)
SB: $56.32 (112.6 bb)
BB: $50.00 (100 bb)

SB posts $0.25, BB posts $0.50, CO posts $0.50

Pre Flop: [i](pot: $1.25)Hero has T 9 T A
fold, MP calls $0.50, CO checks, Hero calls $0.50, SB calls $0.25, BB checks

Flop: ($2.50, 5 players) K 4 7
SB checks, BB checks, MP checks, CO bets $2.38, Hero calls $2.38, fold, BB calls $2.38, MP calls $2.38

Turn: ($12.02, 4 players) T
BB checks, MP checks, CO checks, Hero bets $11.42, BB calls $11.42, fold, CO calls $11.42

River: ($46.28, 3 players) K
BB checks, CO bets $35.70 and is all-in, Hero calls $35.70

Not sure what’s going on with preflop. This is like a top 5% hand, double suited, decent connectivity, high. Clearly ahead of a random hand and a limper. Kick it up.

I’ll defer to people more familiar with population here but that doesn’t seem like a turn card that would scare K7/K4 from betting, right? Admittedly a lot of my PLO experience comes against action type players who prefer to just pile 2 streets with Kings up on this board to avoid being outdrawn.


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06-25-2020 , 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by tonic1223
Villain showed up with 456* fwiw
Welp, i can tell you my notes describe this type of player in a very specific way.
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